Editing Talk:Umineko Volume 1: Tips (section)

==X The servant VS Servant X==
I'm actually wondering whichever of the 2 form (for example: ''Servant Genji'', or ''Genji, the servant'') is the best way.
In my opinion, I feel that "''Servant X''" flows better as the status (very important in the context) has some emphasis as the first word. This has a stark contrast with the family members who all have "''Ushiromiya''" as a starter, while the rest are either "''Servant''" or "''Physician''". This format gives some "social status" difference in a subtle way.

The other point is also the fact that "'''''the''' servant''" behind has a weird effect (well on me in fact), as reading the name means almost like reading "there is only one servant", so reading several time differences servants descriptions leaves a strange feeling behind that. 

I guess it is a matter of preference, but I believe "''Servant X''" form flows better than "''X, the servant''". What do you think, everyone? [[User:Klashikari|Klashikari]] 09:51, 15 March 2008 (PDT)

Actually, hearing that, I'd have to agree. I'll change it if you want.--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 08:27, 16 March 2008 (PDT)


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Hello, Ace here

Forgive me my poor english but I liked how you guys corrected my mess.

But I'd like to suggest a little modification on this line

黄金郷を目指す者よ、これを下りて鍵を探せ。
You who seek the Golden Land, follow its path and seek the key. 

I changed it to: You who seek the Golden Land, follow down its path and seek the key. 

I don't know if 'follow down' sounds natural in english

However, after reading some theories around the internet, I REALLY think we should include the 'down' idea contained in the kanji 下 of'下りて'

What do you think?

I already changed it, but you ca always change it back.

Hmm. I'd like to hear the theories, because it's a bit awkward in english... It's true that 下りて gave me a headache, because to "go down" a river is just not classy, but "follow" doesn't convey the exact same meaning. "Follow down" is a bit awkward, so hearing the theories might help me formulate something else. And if anyone else has a proposition, please post it!--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 05:56, 22 March 2008 (PDT)




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Ace here

The theory was posted back when ep.1 came out. At the time I didn't gave much attention, but after reading ep.2 I seriously had to consider it.

The theory is simple
River = family
下りて = go (down) towards the younger branches of the family (Rosa's family)
その里にて二人が口にし岸を探れ= the two people here would be, guess who, Rosa and Maria.

I read that too. I opted for "follow downstream", hope that fits. And just out of curiosity, what's your mother tongue? Your english is very good, and you certainly translate faster than me ^^;--[[User:Tobiast88|Tobiast88]] 05:56, 22 March 2008 (PDT)


Ace: Well. that sounds nice for me. 
For the poem/riddle, I think we should stick to the literality as much as possible, since the solution might be there, in the nuances of the kanjis, even though I feel that little by little, the upcoming episodes will kind of blow away some of our attempts.

My mother tongue is Portuguese (Brazilian portuguese). And I don't think my english is good at all :( 
Since I learned both english and japanese by myself through free on-line lessons heiauhei (god bless teacher google)