Editing Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume9 Prologue (section)

==Face Expression==

:English: ''The expression of endlessly smeared all over your face when you are making your speech'' during today's opening ceremony is not that easy to forget.
:Japanese: 始業式の全校朝礼で'''長々と訓示を述べていた顔'''をそうそう忘れたりはしないさ。

(when the student pres. is talking to Kyon) the italic part is missing a word or something.  I think the translator needs to take a look.

And sorry about all the edits and stuff, I just created an account to help out and am really eager and excited to help this project!

--[[User:Haruhi's loyal subordinate|Haruhi&#39;s loyal subordinate]] 14:59, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

To put it simply, the sentence wanted to mean that...
:The expression of your face when you are making your speech
Does this make sense?
Maybe, the translator thought "all over your face" to be a noun "face" modified by "all over your".
On the other hand, you thought "all over your face" to be an adverb.

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 21:39, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

* lol. Ah proof that Akiha is Japanese! Only a Japanese can break down English with so much technicality, not even I know what your talking about Akiha, and I've been speaking English the day I was born. :/

But from what I think your trying to say is that the phrase is meant to describe the characters emotion on their face and that...er...dammn well i haven't read the script yet, I'll do it when I get off work, but in English It's fine to say "it's all over your face" but it's a abit vague, as it can mean more then one thing. Maybe we need to make more specific?  As in terms so that readers will know it meant what...er...Akiha-san is trying to say something along the lines of "he/she made that familiar expression that you knew they wanted to say something"...or not.

Must read the script. :p

[[User:Onizuka-gto|Onizuka-gto]] 22:25, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

I changed it to "The expression smeared over your face during today's opening ceremony while you were making your speech is not that easy to forget" for now.

--[[User:Shadowfall|Shadowfall]] 00:46, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

Thanks. Then have this problem been solved? I can't judge which of two sentences is better English.

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 01:07, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

I got it! "When" is the cause of the confusion, isn't it? Although I omit it, I can tell you the reason technically! :D

BTW, Do only Japanese technically understand English? Don't other second language learners do it? I've thought this method is normal..

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 06:16, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

:* Second Language learner certainly learn the technicality of English, but not to the extremes that the Japanese Education system does. European English learner learn only 20-40% of the technicality, the rest is concentrated on the speaking and understanding it. Hong Kong Chinese are more alike to Japanese, they have a very good grasp of Written English and can even type out loads of documents with fluid and dynamic flair, (well all those I've met in my company are like that) but the minute I talk to them in English they falter, the less senior staff I talk to, the worse the spoken English becomes... :p 
[[User:Onizuka-gto|Onizuka-gto]] 07:10, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

This is interesting and educational. Thank you.

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 07:43, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

I think it's OK now.  It certainly makes sense in English, that Kyon didn't like the President's general expression while he was giving his speech.  I think the only question is if it was indeed the general expression, or a specific expression that Kyon took offence to in the original text. 

--[[User:Shadowfall|Shadowfall]] 08:31, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

The former. To answer this question, we need to consider the dropped original text in translation, which is "for long time" (in Japanese: "長々と"). After all, the text is

:The expression smeared over your face during today's opening ceremony while you were making your speech ''for long time'' is not that easy to forget.

Kyon was impatient with the length of the speech. He took offence to pres. through his expression(face). To put it differently, his expression was merely the symbol of pres in this context. Therefore I think the expression in question is the general one, because he normally gave his speech as pres.

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 09:47, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

Ah, that explains the "expression of endlessly" in the original translation then.  In that case a better wording to use may be:

:It's not that easy to forget the expression that was smeared over your face during the speech you took so long in today's opening ceremony making.

(Shuffling the text around a bit so as not to break the sentence into too many parts). It's still kinda long though.

--[[User:Shadowfall|Shadowfall]] 11:32, 19 April 2007 (PDT)