Editing Talk:Mushoku Tensei Names and Terminology (section)

== Consistency - tou-san/kaa-san/danna-sama ==

I've noticed a mixture of "tou-san" followed by "father" then "kaa-san" but then in another "nephew" and "daddy" and finally "danna-sama".

I would prefer we just stick to english or Japanese romanji, one or the other. 

Onizuka-GTO 00:47, 13 August 2014 (CDT)

The same as always with this that's the authors doing switching around so often to cover the vague differences in respect/relationships.

Every so often he throws out Papa and Daddy as a joke in Engrish for Rudeus to refer to Paul, though generally Rudeus refers to Paul as tou-san, and Paul refers to himself as tou-san when talking to Rudeus. There's also the times when they chichi/chichiuya or whatever other spellings to refer to father and such.. the times when father comes up it's usually someone else referring to their relationship, like Gisu saying "your father". Danna-sama =husband/master, and Lilya uses it because she's both a maid and his wife, Gisu uses danna occasionally just to put himself "below" whoever he refers to as it like Rujierudo. 

You'll probably notice but in these recent chapters Rudeus has completely switched over from shishou to calling Roxy sensei, that's not an error but it's something he either did consciously or subconsciously probably to refer to the distance between them closing. 

I do admit it's a bit of a headache though so if the editors want to uniform them all they can, just saying that's how it is in context. --[[User:Dark Kaito|Dark Kaito]] ([[User talk:Dark Kaito|talk]]) 01:08, 13 August 2014 (CDT)

As for me, I use kaa-san, tou-san etc. when it's written that way, but if it refers to the concept of father, or if it's the humble (and hence "simple") form (chichi, haha, soba etc.), I'll write 'father', 'mother' and 'grandmother' etc. 

Not sure if you're learning JP/reading the raws, Oni, but I hope this explains stuff for you. I'm pretty sure this is more or less what Kaito is doing as well (judging from his previous chapters, and what he's saying above). And yes, as he says, occasionally he does say stuff like 'papa' in joke monologues. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 02:07, 13 August 2014 (CDT)

Unfortunately, my Japanese reading isn't anywhere to the point that i can read it off the cuff unless it's in romanji, and have a dictionary website out ready and lots and lots of spare time, to which i'm terribly lacking sadly. 
So i'm not aware of the word play the author is doing. 

But just as Kaito mention, it's become dangerously headaching with all the switching from just reading the English. 

So perhaps we can just settle on just a few, such as "tou-san" and "kaa-san" and "danna-sama", "danna" and "ojou-sama"? 
There is plenty of English words to describe the different forms of those words and both parents formally and informally. 
Such as "old man" or "dad" for informal (perhaps in a way Rudeus and paul refers to) and when he's trying to sum up the dignity of a male parent its more suited to refer to it as "Father".

"kaa-san" as well, lets just refer to it as "mum" or when paul is talking about Zenith to Rudeus it more of a formal "mother".

As for "danna-sama" i guess "husband" is formal enough then "Master of the household" or "Master". 

Or as gisu referring with "danna" i suppose "Master" or "Sir" could be used? 

I won't even touch the "onii-chan" or the "onii-sama" or "nii-san" or any "-sama" ending, i suppose its better to keep those inconsistency as its already pretty familiar romanji that the readers are aware of, that and there really isn't any english equivalent of "brother" to convey the honourifics nature. 

"ojou-sama" can be easily substitute as "mistress" or "lady" depending on context.  
 
Onizuka-GTO 02:32, 13 August 2014 (CDT)


True, true. Honestly it's my personal preference to use as little of these as possible, but during my time practising chapters concurrent to Kaito's translation, a few people told me that they preferred me to write 'nee-chan' over 'miss', 'onee-san' over 'miss', and 'ojou-chan' over 'miss', and 'jou-chan' over 'little missy' etc., and 'onii-san' over 'mister', so I forced myself to use them and just add little notes to explain the usage.

I honestly find it squirmy and jarring to write though. I can't believe it's come to this (or more like, that people don't do this more often), but can we set a cut-off for how weeaboo our terms of addressal should be?

Perhaps we should first separate shit into tiers, like:

'''Tier 1 [everyone knows this usage]'''<br />
e.g. Nee-, Onee-, Tou-, Ojou-, -dono, -sama

'''Tier 2 [less people understand this usage]'''<br />
e.g. Danna-sama (as master), Goshujin-sama (as master)

'''Tier 3 [few people understand this usage]'''<br />
e.g. Oku-san, Danna-sama, Nee-chan (miss), Onii-san (mister), Jou-chan (little miss)

'''Exceptions due to circumstances'''<br />
e.g. Shishou, Sensei

And having decided all this, fix everything in one go. :X 

EDIT: "Such as "old man" or "dad" for informal"

The "problem" (I don't think it is personally) is that rather than a lack of informal terms, we're lacking in formal terms. 父上殿、父上様、父上、お父様、父様、お父さん、父さん, all of which would normally just be 'father' in English (excepting the first two which are sort of ridiculous, and unless you want to start using shit like 'esteemed father', 'honourable father' and the like). Incidentally, Paul is ...yeah, so if you want, we could just look at what '''has''' been used thus far, which would reduce the problem. [[User:Vanant|Vanant]] ([[User talk:Vanant|talk]]) 03:06, 13 August 2014 (CDT)