Editing User talk:Kadi (section)

== Campione protection level ==

Should [[Campione!|Campione's project page]] be editable only by supervisors? that's currently how it's set up; but that's not the standard practice... as the project supervisor do you have an opinion on this?--[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] ([[User talk:Saganatsu|talk]]) 19:38, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

I certainly have no need for random passersby deluding themselves into thinking they're being helpful. The vast majority of edits on the page are done by me anyway. Anyone who thinks a change is necessary can simply post on the Talk Page. --[[User:Zzhk|Zzhk]] ([[User talk:Zzhk|talk]]) 19:49, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

Zzhk-- I agree that you do the majority of edits, but I think that discouraging new users from making edits is counterproductive in the long run. If they make a mistake it just has to be fixed; and some of them turn into productive members. However, this is looking like one of those issues that if improperly handled could end up with the two of us in an edit war, and ending with one or more leaving the site. I love this site, and don't want that to happen. Thus I'm going to follow whatever Kadi decides.--[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] ([[User talk:Saganatsu|talk]]) 20:11, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

It's nothing personal against you really, Saganatsu. The issue I see here is that if someone involved in a project can't even reject changes without the interference of random passersby, then there's clearly a problem. If people want to be useful, fixing typos and offering suggestions to the text itself would be far more productive than making links, editing the Updates section or modifying progress percentages. --[[User:Zzhk|Zzhk]] ([[User talk:Zzhk|talk]]) 23:32, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

I agree it's not personal, just a policy difference. But if it turned into a edit war, it would have become personal. And that's never a good thing.--[[User:Saganatsu|Saganatsu]] ([[User talk:Saganatsu|talk]]) 23:57, 17 May 2013 (CDT)

Do we seriously need ''another'' freaking Zerox incident? Let those who actually contribute something of '''value''' make the decisions about how they want that content to be served.--[[User:Hiyono|Hiyono]] ([[User talk:Hiyono|talk]]) 01:26, 18 May 2013 (CDT)

Just in case Kadi is confused, here's a quick summary: 
*Saganatsu thought it would be helpful to setup a red link for a then-nonexistent SS6 illustrations page
*I deemed it premature and reversed the change
*At this point, the subjective disagreement could have simply ended in favor of the project staff (i.e. me)
*AKAAkira comes along to reverse the undo, expounding the virtues of red links as to-do reminders and as a way to prevent people from messing up names
*I reversed it
*AKAAkira returns, undo-ing the change, insisting the undo was unnecessary
*I locked the page
Since the illustrations are now uploaded, the original issue is moot. However, I consider AKAAkira's insistent attitude over a trivial and subjective issue to be a precursor to the slippery slope of Zero-style "contributions."

Anyway, I leave it to Kadi to decide whether the page actually needs direct contributions from the public. --[[User:Zzhk|Zzhk]] ([[User talk:Zzhk|talk]]) 01:48, 18 May 2013 (CDT)

Thanks for the summary. Now, I see how it's good to promote guest contributions, but not on the project page. Ideally the project page is only changed if new material is released and already "perfect" otherwise. Volume and chapter titles shouldn't be changed by just anyone "just like that" anyway, and it's not like a guest will just give us an all new and improved synopsis. All necessary or useful changes can be pointed out on the talk page or the forum easily enough.

On a more general note, Saganatsu says he wanted to avoid an edit war. From my point of view, that's what zzhk did. Had the page remained open, who knows how many times this reverting-business would've gone on, and that might've led to people leaving. Zzhk made the right call in locking it.

As for whether it should remain locked, that depends on all of you. It doesn't (shouldn't) hurt having it unlocked, so I don't mind opening it again. However, if there's another difference in opinion, keep in mind that the last decision will lie with the main contributor and the supervisor, zzhk and me. If the two of us disagree, we talk it out. So I suggest in the future, you go along with his decisions, especially over minor and/or temporary issues like red links (I mean, come on, it's a stupid link!). If you don't like his stance, come to me (ideally on IRC or the forum), and if I agree with you, I'll talk to him and we'll sort it out. DON'T start editing back and forth or needless antagonizing, or the page will be locked again before you notice, and remain locked.--[[User:Kadi|Kadi]] ([[User talk:Kadi#top|talk]]) 04:00, 18 May 2013 (CDT)