Editing Talk:Rakuin no Monshou (section)

== Volume Titles ==

Volume 2 陰謀の都を竜は駆ける; I translated it to "The Dragon Advances on the Capital of Intrigue", but it could also mean "The Dragon Runs through the Capital of Intrigue" - or 'canter' or 'gallop', but I believe only horses do that. Both could be correct considering that the titles are always a bit vague. I'm not sure which one I prefer actually, so I'll leave it open for discussion at the moment. --[[User:Dohma|Dohma]] ([[User talk:Dohma|talk]]) 13:13, 24 July 2013 (CDT)

* Proposal to change the title to: "The Dragon Advances through the Capital of Intrigue" What annoyed me was the usage of を instead of へ. Confirmed that advancing on/advancing Towards is with へ.  --[[User:Detalz|Detalz]] ([[User talk:Detalz|talk]]) 14:00, 24 July 2013 (CDT)

:* を is correct here. When using a location where something takes place (not where it is going) を may be used. Thus, the action takes place ''in'' the capital. I'm actually more puzzled by 駆ける（かける）; a dragon should　have 翔ける（かける） 'run', 'soar', 'fly' (See the title for volume 11/12). Using 駆ける instead gives me the impression the dragon is either not flying, so he's running, or a different meaning for the verb, in this case 'to advance (against an enemy)'. But the 'dragon' here obviously refers to Orba... Titles are always a bit hard, because there's little context to go by, and in this case what happens in the volume doesn't help much either.  --[[User:Dohma|Dohma]] ([[User talk:Dohma|talk]]) 15:33, 24 July 2013 (CDT)

:*seems reasonable enough from what I look in the CH one, in CH they also use the word 'gallop' but I think that 'advanced' is the most appropriate here since it seems vague as such it depends on how you interpret it. One more thing the name of the novel in english, I suggest "Crest of Stigma" (sounds much cooler XD) --[[User:Par74583|Par74583]]([[User talk:Par74583|talk]])

::* Well the series title is hard, because it depends on the way you interpret it. In fact the entire reason I kept the project name 'Rakuin no Monshou' is because I couldn't be entirely sure. However, the reason I chose "Emblem of the Branded" is because the way I look at it, the title's about Orba. He is like an 'emblem' or 'figure' for those 'branded' to live a plebeian's or slave's life - Orba was also literally branded a slave in prison. I agree "Crest of Stigma" is a cool title, but I'm afraid it holds little meaning considering the story. I might be proven wrong in the future, but unless someone can convince me the title portrays a certain meaning, I'd rather keep it as is for now. --[[User:Dohma|Dohma]] ([[User talk:Dohma|talk]]) 13:20, 30 July 2013 (CDT)

*Ah, sorry for not making it clear. I meant to say that the term "advances on" is more suited using either the へ or に particles. 駆ける is a simple motion verb, meaning "to move oneself" in a galloping fashion, like a horse. For our dragon here who isn't on a horse, it could be akin to running, dashing, advancing through, or even plowing through on extreme circumstances. The problem is that "advances on" has a different nuance than the intended verb, deviating towards meanings like "approaching" and/or "closing in on." The only way to modify the verb to resemble this meaning, would be usage of the へ with 駆ける. But the title clearly uses を, which is why I feel "Advances Through" to be more appropriate. On a side note, i'm not quite surprised our dragon friend here isn't flying yet. He just got released from his shackles, but still has certain 'invisible' ones on that continue to limit his freedom and bind him. --[[User:Detalz|Detalz]] ([[User talk:Detalz|talk]]) 19:08, 30 July 2013 (CDT)

:* In that case I would rather go with 'run through', because the translation of the way you describe advance here would probably be 進む or 前進する instead. The meaning of 駆ける as 'advance' is uncommon/obsolete and actually means 'advance (against an enemy)'. Looking at the other titles, I get the feeling this is not what it's supposed to mean here. --[[User:Dohma|Dohma]] ([[User talk:Dohma|talk]]) 15:04, 1 August 2013 (CDT)

::* Judging by the flavor of the series, I suspect it's not as simple as just going through. Just mentioning this. --[[User:Sunspawn|Sunspawn]] ([[User talk:Sunspawn|talk]]) 16:22, 30 September 2013 (CDT)