Editing Talk:Suzumiya Haruhi:Volume9 Prologue (section)

==A mistranslation of a line of The Student Council President==
The Student Council president says.
; English : ''“And subduing those giants in the sealed reality created by the girl whose mind is filled with all sorts of ideas would be your job.”''
; Japanese : ''「あの脳内花畑女の首紐をつけておくのは、キミたちの役目だ」''
The English line shows that he knows of Avatars in the sealed reality, but the Japanese counterpart doesn't. I haven't read all of Haruhi series up to this point, I have a poor memory, and I'm lazy... So, I can't judge whether the English line is consistent with the previous volumes. Anyway, the Original line doesn't mention this here. He just tells that he wants members of SOS Brigade to watch the behavior of Haruhi in school to prevent her from causing trouble for him. Because of the ignorance of the extraordinary situation around Haruhi, he does only mention school-event-related her behavior. Also I don't feel any implication of indication of Avatars from the Japanese line, I guess. Regarding these, I suggest to correct this line.

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 04:25, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

::あの<font color="#FF0000">脳内</font><font color="#00B000">花畑</font><font color="#0000F0">女</font>の<font color="#905090">首</font><font color="#F000F0">紐</font>をつけておくのは、キミたちの<font color="#009090">役目</font>だ。
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::   *<font color="#FF0000">脳内</font> 【のうない】 intracerebral (adj); intracranial (adj); intracranially (adv) (n); LS
::   *<font color="#00B000">花畑</font> 【はなばたけ】 (n) flower garden; flower bed; ED
::   *<font color="#0000F0">女</font> 【おんな; じょ】 (おんな) (n) woman; (じょ) (n) woman; girl; daughter; SP
::   *<font color="#905090">首</font> 【くび; しゅ】 (くび) (n) neck; (しゅ) (n,n-suf) counter for songs and poems; SP
::   *<font color="#F000F0">紐</font> 【ひも】 (n) (1) string; cord; (2) man who is financially dependent on a woman (such as a gigolo or, in the case of a prostitute, a pimp); pimp; (P); EP
::   *<font color="#009090">役目</font> 【やくめ】 (n) duty; business; role; (P); EP
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: "Pimp" Haha! Anyway... this is a poor man's attempt at a translation.
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: "あの" is probably just a sound, like starting a sentance with "Uh..." in English.
: "脳内花畑" = Flower garden in the mind?
: "女の首" = Neck of a woman/girl
: "紐" = Leash (a type of cord or string assiciated with "neck")
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: So perhaps it translates to something like: "As for keeping a leash on that girl's flowering mind, that's your job." ? I'm sure I'm missing a few things...

--[[User:Smidge204|Smidge204]] 05:22, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

I think because of two idiomatic wordings used in the Japanese, the mistranslation happened. No wonder Smidge204's translation isn't correct. Here is an explanation.
; structure : [[[あの[['''脳内花畑''']女]]の'''首紐]をつけておく''']のは、キミたちの役目だ
; simple translation : As for watching the behavior of Haruhi in school, that's your job.
; gist : He wants members of SOS Brigade to watch the behavior of Haruhi in school to prevent causing trouble for him.
#脳内花畑(literally: flower garden in the mind)
#*In Japanese, someone who has ''flower garden in the mind'' is thought to be crazy, insane, nonsense, etc. We think they are seeing an illusion that they play in the flower garden, regressing to childish behavior. So, meaning "that girl who has ''flower garden in the mind''", "あの[[脳内花畑]女]]" is referring to Haruhi in a very offensive and rude manner.
#首紐をつけておく(literally: to keep a leash on someone's neck)
#*If you have a dog, you keep it on a leash to prevent running away. When that is applied to a person in Japanese, that meaning is to watch him/her to prevent doing something bad. The wording has a forcible feeling, because of treating he/she as an animal.

Change my simple translation into more idiomatic one in English!

--[[User:Akiha|Akiha]] 19:43, 1 May 2007 (PDT)

:Ah, so it's an idiom. "Keeping a leash on someone" is also an idiom in English, and it means the same thing. So, fixing the part about the flower garden:
::"As for keeping a leash on that psychopathic girl, that's your job."
:To make it sound more natural, I would remove the comma...
::"Your job is to keep a leash on that psychopathic girl."
:This also works in the context, since the president is interrupting and (rudely) correcting Koizumi.
:[[User:Smidge204|Smidge204]] 03:56, 2 May 2007 (PDT)