Editing Talk:Spice & Wolf:Volume1 Chapter 01

The pages posted here are a draft. I'm still learning Japanese and don't have much experience translating, would greatly appreciate it if more skilled people could review my work. In particular, there are many questions I have, both about the text as well as about Japanese in general, I'm hoping they could be answered here as well. Please feel free to discuss any part of the translation by inserting comments immediately below the relevant line, or at the bottom of each section. All comments, from broad stylistic suggestions down to nitpicks are welcome. I don't know whether such a discussion is manageable within the space of one wiki page, let's try this for a few days and see how it goes. Pages will be moved to the main article once they get sufficient review. Let's focus discussion on the first few pages so that they can be moved in sequence.


Regarding notation used below:

{ }   Curly braces indicate furigana for the kanji (possibly more than one) just before it. The start and end are not explicitly indicated so as not to disrupt the text, but generally this should be clear.

(?)   Indicates that I'm unsure about the previous sentence. (Okay, I'm unsure about _all_ sentences, given my level of skill, but the ones marked as such I have greater uncertainty about.)

(!)   Indicates I'm completely lost.

[ ]   Indicates comments/questions I have about the text.

(1)   Bracketed numbers indicate comments moved to footnotes due to their length

-/-/- Indicates piecemeal translation. Should be regarded as a placeholder and used as reference for a proper translation.

lit   literal

alt   alternatively

Each paragraph of the Japanese text is alternated with a paragraph of the corresponding English translation. If a page break cuts a paragraph in two, the entire paragraph will be posted under the section corresponding to the next page.


There are also forum threads [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1674&st=0&sk=t&sd=a here], as well at at [http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=61343 AnimeSuki] and the [http://z15.invisionfree.com/Wolf_and_Spice/index.php?showtopic=5 Spice and Wolf forums].


Thanks. [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] (this message last edited 18:58, 25 February 2008 (PST))


= Chapter 1, Page 17 =

「これで最後、かな？」

"That's the last one, isn't it?"

「ん、きっちり七十枚……ありますね。毎度どうも」

"Mmm, exactly seventy pelts... we have here. Thanks for your patronage, as always." (1)

「なーにこちらこそ。ロレンスさんくらいしかこんな山奥まで来てくれないからな。助かるよ」

"Hey, don't mention it, I should thank you as well. Mr Lawrence, pretty much no one else comes all the way here in the mountains. It's a great help."

「代わりに上等の毛皮もらってますからね。また来ます」

"In return I've received such fine furs. I'll be back again." (2)

　そんないつものやり取りをかわし、山奥の村を出発したのはかれこれ五時間も前だ。日が昇ってすぐに出発して、山から下りて野に出た頃にはもう昼を回っていた。

The trade proceeded as usual, and roughly five hours had passed since he departed from the mountain village. Having left soon after sunrise, descending the mountain, noon had already arrived by the time he reached the plains. 

　天気は良く、風もない。荷馬車に乗ってのんびりと野を行くには絶好の日和｛ひより｝だ。ここのところ寒かったので、もう冬も近いと思ていたのが嘘｛うそ｝のようだ。

The weather was fine and no wind stirred. Perfect for a leisurely horse cart ride across the plains. It seemed ridiculous that earlier he had thought winter was drawing near, because it was cold. (3)

　行商人として独り立ちして七年目、歳｛とし｝にして二十五になるロレンスは、御者台｛ぎょしゃだい｝の上で平和な大あくびをしたのだった。

Lawrence, a merchant who had been traveling alone for seven years now and was about to turn twenty-five this year, gave a large and peaceful yawn[or maybe "big/large and relaxed yawn"?] from atop the cart driver's seat.

　背の高い草も木もはほとんど生えていないために視界はとても良い。そのためにかなり遠くまで見通すことができて、視界ぎりぎりの彼方｛かなた｝には何年か前に建てられた修道院が見えている。

Because the trees and tall-grass grew sparser, the view was very good and you could see quite far away. Just barely within view, a long-established monastery could be seen in the distance.

　どこの貴族の子弟を取り込んだのかわからないが、こんな辺鄙｛へんぴ｝な土地にありながらも建物は立派な石造りで、門扉｛もんぴ｝は信じられないことに鉄製だ。確か二十人からの修道士が生活していて、それと同数くらいの下男が彼らの生活を支えているはずだ。

Some young aristocrat from somewhere got the idea of building a fine structure like that in such a remote place. The stonework was magnificent and the gates were incredibly well-wrought in iron. Around twenty or so monks lived there, ministered to by a similar number of male servants.

== Discussion ==

(1)  What about "A pleasure doing business with you _again_." instead, i.e. does 毎度 imply any previous patronage? 
: How about "as always"? まいど=each time. For example - As always, it's a pleasure doing business with you. --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 01:47, 15 February 2008 (PST)

: Yeah, "as always" is better. I originally took some liberties with the translation, given the villager's response and 'the pleasure is mine as well' being an English expression. Thinking about it some more though, I think I'll stick with a more literal translation. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 12:00, 18 February 2008 (PST)
 
(2)  Is やり取り barter trade? Is おかわし end?

: かわし= to exchange, yaritori is indeed barter trade. so やり取りおかわし should be barter trade exchange. --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 02:35, 15 February 2008 (PST)

(3)  The second sentence doesn't make sense. If it was cold then it wouldn't be ridiculous that winter is coming, but it isn't cold, but rather it's pleasant/good/nice as stated in the first sentence... I have no idea how that should be translated though. 

: It can be fair and windless and still cold. Note that fair means sunny and not cloudy, but not necessarily warm. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 12:00, 18 February 2008 (PST)

: Momogan pointed out that the second sentence is in the past tense, i.e. it was cold previously, but the good weather now makes Lawrence's previous thought that winter was near seem like a lie. I don't think it's a very far back past tense, since later on Lawrence tells the knight that he went to the mountain village and is now returning, i.e. it was at most a few days ago when he previously was at this place and thought that winter was near. In fact, it could also be that it was cold when he first descended to the plains, but is now good weather. Also, I'm gonna go with the more literal 'fine weather', rather than the more interpreted 'fair weather'. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 17:08, 19 February 2008 (PST)

: Rearranged the second and third sentences a bit. What do you think? --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 12:27, 25 February 2008 (PST)

: It seems good to me...I just want to point out that Lawrence is coming from high altitudes in the mountains, where I'm sure it's quite cold. So from there, to where he is now, the "previous" cold that had made it seem as though winter were approaching, was a lie, as it was the cold of the mountains, not the "true" temperature of the times. What do you think? The second possibility is this: ここのところ is roughly "this place" and 寒かった is a past tense of being cold, meaning roughly "was cold", so it can almost be something like, (This is how I wrote it in my .doc file. [["This place had been colder earlier, and with the good weather now, it seemed thinking that winter would be coming soon was a lie.]] I wrote an allusion back to the previous sentance, to clear any confusions.It does seem to be more of this way, from Lawrence going back through the area for the second time, returning somewhere as Alph has stated. Ideas?--[[User:Seaghyn16|Seaghyn16]]


: "Don't mention it, the pleasure is mine as well." Don't merchants usually say "The pleasure is all mine"? I think that should be the case here as well. --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 02:28, 15 February 2008 (PST)

= Chapter 1, Page 18 =

　修道院が建てられ始めた頃、ロレンスはその新しい顧客｛こきゃく｝の匂｛にお｝いに期待していたのだが、どうやら修道院は在野｛ざいや｝の商人を介｛かい｝さず独自に物資を調達しているようで、ロレンスの期待は儚｛はかな｝くも散ったのだった。

When its construction first started, Lawrence had been eagerly anticipating a new patron, but the monastery was somehow able to obtain goods and materials on their own without having to trade with independent merchants, so Lawrence's short-lived hopes vanished. (1)

　とはいっても彼らは贅沢｛ぜいたく｝もせず畑も耕すので、商売ができたとしても実際の実入｛みい｝りはかなり少なかったりする。その上、無理やり寄付｛きふ｝をさせられたりツケを踏み倒されたりもするので考え物だ。

Even so, the monks didn't live in luxury and still tilled the fields, thus the profits from trading with them would have been fairly meager. On top of that, you'd have to consider that they would solicit involuntary donations and shirk payment of their bills. 

　単純な売買の相手としては盗人｛ぬすっと｝よりも性質｛たち｝の悪い相手ではあったが、それでも彼らと商売をすれば商人にとって都合の良いことがある。

For simple buying and selling they were worse than even thieves, but, still, there were times when trading with them was convenient.

　そんなわけでロレンスは未練｛みれん｝がましく修道院のほうを見ていたのだが、不意に目を細めた。(4)

With those thoughts in mind, Lawrence looked towards the monastery, feeling reluctance and lingering regret. His eyes narrowed. 

　修道院のほうで、誰かがこちらに向かって手を振っているのだ。

From the direction of the monastery, someone was gesturing at him.

「なんだ？」
 
"What's this?"

　下男には見えない。彼らはこげ茶色の汚｛きたな｝い作業服を身にまとっているからだ。手を振っている者はねずみ色っぽい衣服に身を包んでいる。わざわざそちらに行くのは面倒くさかったが、無視をすると後々問題になりかねない。ロレンスは仕方なく馬の進む方向をそちらに向けた。

There were no servants around. The monks present were clad in dirty tawny-brown  [ alt: saffron? ] fatigues, (2) and the one gesturing was wrapped in grayish clothes. His deliberate approach suggested trouble, but ignoring him could bring problems down the road. (3) Without better options, Lawrence turned his horse towards him. 

　すると、手を振っていた者はロレンスが自分のほうに向かって歩き始めたことに気がついたのか、手を振ることをやめたようだが自分から歩こうとはしない。じっと、ロレンスが到着するのを待つつもりのようだ。教会関係者が傲慢｛ごうまん｝なのは今日に始まったことではない。こんなことでいちいち怒る気にもなれなかった。

Thereafter, the gesturer realised that Lawrence was coming towards him, so he stopped gesturing, but continued to walk without breaking into a run.  As if patiently awaiting Lawrence's arrival. It wasn't as though the church authorities had only started being arrogant today. Lawrence was too accustomed to such treatment to get angry over each and every similar incident. (5)

== Discussion ==

(1)  Meaning of 在野の商人? Is 介さず the negative of 介させる?

: 在野 means someone not working in a public office. 介さず is the negative of the verb 介す. I think the translation you have there is good. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

: Just a little note for future reference -> Stop using it's(it is) when it's about owning something. It must be "its". I think this is the third time I see this mistake and I'll fix it again, as it doesn't take much time, but keep in mind the right grammar :) --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 12:36, 25 February 2008 (PST)

: Oops, thanks :) I'll keep it in mind, but these things have a habit of slipping out. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 03:35, 29 February 2008 (PST)

(2) I'm guessing via elimination that 彼ら refers to the monks. What does こけ mean here? Moss?

: Sorry, typo, should be こげ茶色, i.e. the colour of black tea. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 09:51, 21 February 2008 (PST)

(3) Does 後々 mean distant future? Could it also possibly refer to a nearer future?

: I think 後々 can be quite vague, could either be near or distant. "Down the road" sounds nice there. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

(4) Regarding そんなわけで -> you had translated it as ".....", um, sorry I forgot it instantly XD . Anyway, the right translation here should be "With those thoughts in mind", because it makes more sense like this and while your version would be the literary translation of the text, as you noticed as well, it didn't really make much sense. --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 10:42, 29 February 2008 (PST)

(5) Is it me or 手を振ることをやめたようだが自分から歩こうとはしない could also be translated as "He stopped gesturing, but he also stopped walking" or something like this? The ない in the end may be directed to both the walking and the running? --[[User:ShApEsHiFt3r|ShApEsHiFt3r]] 11:33, 29 February 2008 (PST)

= Chapter 1, Page 19 =

　ただ、のんびりと修道院に近づくにつれてはっきりと見えてきたその姿に、ロレンスは思わず声を上げていた。

As he leisurely (?) [ or "slowly"? "casually"? ] approached the monastery, the person's form could be seen more clearly, and Lawrence unconsciously raised his voice.

「……騎士｛きし｝？」

"......a knight?"

　最初はそんな馬鹿な、と思ったものの、近づけばそれは紛｛まぎ｝れもない騎士だった。ねずみ色に見えた服は、銀色の甲冑｛かつちゅう｝だったのだ。

That couldn't possibly be, he initially thought, but as he drew closer it was unmistakably a knight. The grey clothes he saw were actually silver armour covering from head to toe. (?) 

「貴様、何者であるか」

"You, state your business here." (1)

　会話をするにはまだちょっと遠い距離、というあたりで騎士がそう叫んだ。自分は名乗らなくてもどこの誰かわかるだろう、と言いたげだ。

There was still some distance between the two of them before they could talk, which was why the knight shouted. (?) [ meaning of というあたりで?] It was as if anyone anywhere ought to know who he was, even without first introducing himself. (2)

「行商人のロレンスという者ですが、何かご入用｛にゅうよう｝ですかね？」

"I'm Lawrence, a traveling merchant. May I be of service? "

　もう修道院は目と鼻の先だ。南に向かって広がっている畑で働く下男達の数も数えられるくらいだ。

The monastery was now right in front of his eyes. In the fields that spread out to the south of Lawrence there were servants working, and he could now count their numbers. 

　そして、どうやら騎士がそれ一人だけではないということもわかった。修道院の向こうにももう一人立っているのが見える。もしかしたら、見張りなのかもしれなかった。

Also, Lawrence realized that the knight was not alone. Another solitary figure, possibly a guard, could be seen in the direction of the monastery.

「行商人？貴様が来た方向には町などないはずだが」

"A traveling merchant? There are no towns and settlements in the direction you came from."

　銀の胸｛むね｝当てに刻まれた真｛ま｝っ赤｛か｝な十字架｛か｝を誇らしげに見せるように胸を張って、騎士が横柄にそう言った。

The knight spoke arrogantly and puffed his chest, as if to show off the crimson cross engraved on his silver chestplate. 

== Discussion ==

(1) Took some liberties. "Who are you?" or even "Who goes there?" doesn't seem quite right in this context. Is this actually a statement, rather than a question? There's a か at the end, but no ？. It also sounds firm. ]

(2) というあたりで and 自分は名乗らなくてもどこの誰かわかるだろう、と言いたげだ

: というあたりで would mean "around that point/distance." I think the translation is good. 自分は名乗らなくてもどこの誰かわかるだろう、と言いたげだ would mean "It was as if he was trying to say that even if he didn't state who he was, anybody would know who he was regardless of who they were or where they came from." [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

= Chapter 1, Page 20 =

　しかし、肩｛かた｝に直接取り付けられている外套｛がいとう｝もねずみ色で、これは下級騎士を示すものだ。金色の髪｛かみ｝の毛を短く刈｛か｝り込んでまだ間もなさそうだし、体も野戦を潜｛くぐ｝り抜けているようには見えないから、騎士｛きし｝に成り立てで気負っているのだろう。こういう輩｛やから｝は余裕｛よゆう｝を持って対処するに限る。あっという間に図に乗るからだ。

However the cloak draped over his shoulders was similarly gray, denoting his status as a low-rank knight. His blonde hair appeared to be yet uncut and his body showed no signs of being in the field before, however he poised himself like a knight, full of fighting spirit. The best way to deal with such people was to stay calm and composed. Because they get carried away in no time.

　だから、ロレンスはすぐに返事をせずに懐｛ふところ｝から皮袋を取り出して、ゆっくりと口を縛｛しば｝る紐｛ひも｝を解｛ほど｝いた。中には蜂蜜｛はちみつ｝を固めた菓子｛かし｝が入っている。一粒つまむと口に放り込んで、袋ごと騎士のほうに向けたのだった。

And so without reply, Lawrence produced from his breast pocket a leather bag and slowly unfastened the cord tying it shut. Held inside were candy made from dried honey [ lit: hardened honey ]. He picked a honey drop (?)(1), popped it into his mouth, and held the rest of the bag out towards the knight. (?) [ meaning of ごと here? ]

　「一つどうです？」

"How about one?"

　「む」

"Mmm."

　と、騎士は一瞬迷う素振りを見せたものの、甘｛あま｝い菓子の誘惑には勝てなかったようだ。

　ただ、騎士としての意地か、うなずいてから手を伸ばすまでにはだいぶ時間がかかったのだが。

So the knight said (?), but his obstinacy held (?) and a considerable amount of time lapsed between the nod and his hand reaching out.

　「ここから半日ほどかけて東に行くと、山の中に小さな村があるんですよ。そこに塩を売りに行った帰りです」

"A half day's travel eastwards from here lies a small village in the mountains. I went there to sell salt, and am returning through here."

　「そうか。しかし、積荷があるようだが、それも塩か？」

"I see. But, while you appear to be carrying cargo, is that salt as well?"

　「いえ、これは毛皮です。ほら」

"Nay, these are furs. Take a look."

　ロレンスは言いながら荷台を振り向いて、覆｛おお｝いを剥（＊）｛は｝いだ。立派なテンの毛皮だ。目の前の騎士の給料にしたら一年分はくだらないだろう。

While talking, Lawrence turned to face the cart and peeled off the shroud. Revealing beautiful marten (?) furs. A year's wages of the knight standing in front of him would be trivial compared to their worth. (?)

　「ふん。これは？」

"Hmm. What's this?"

== Discussion ==

(1) does 一粒 necessarily mean something grain-like, or can it mean a more generic 'piece' of candy?

: It can mean anything that is very small. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

(*) The kanji in the text is written slightly differently, in a way that's not available in my text editor. I think this character has the same meaning and reading here.

(2) こういう輩｛やから｝は余裕｛よゆう｝を持って対処するに限る。あっという間に図に乗るからだ。

: The only way to deal with these type of people was to stay calm and composed. Because they get carried away (図に乗る) in no time. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

= Chapter 1, Page 21 =

　「ああ、これは、その村からもらってきた麦です」

"Ahh, this is wheat I received from the village."

　毛皮の山の隅に置いてある麦の束は、ロレンスが塩を売りに行った村で育てられているものだ。寒さに強く虫にも食われにくい。去年北西のほうで冷害が猛威｛もうい｝を振るったので売り込むに行くつもりだった。

The sheaf of wheat was grown in the village where Lawrence had gone to sell salt. It had been left in a corner of the mountain where the furs came from. (?) [ meaning of 置いてある here? ] As the weather grows colder, it would be more resistant to insects. (?) In light of the intense winter (?) [ lit: intense cold-weather damage ] in the northwest last year, Lawrence planned to travel there to market it. (?)

　「ふん。まあ、いいだろう。行っていいぞ」

"Hmm. Well, it looks okay. You're free to go."

　呼びつけておいてずいぶんな言い草だが、ここでおとなしく「はい」と言ったら商人失格だ。ロレンスはわざと先ほどの皮袋をちらつかせながら、騎士のほうに向き直った。

It was quite rude, being called over like this, (!) [ lit: "Being called to come over was quite the remark"? ] but obediently saying 'All right' here would have meant failure as a merchant. Lawrence faced the knight, deliberately jiggling (?) [ meaning of ちらつ(く) here? ] the leather bag from earlier.

　「何があったんですかね？普段はここ、騎士様なんかいないでしょう」

"Something happened, didn't it? Normally there wouldn't be knights here."

　若い騎士は質問されたのが不快だったのか、少し眉根｛まゆね｝にしわを寄せたがロレンスの手の中にある皮袋を見るとさらにしわを寄せた。

The young knight felt discomfited being questioned and slight wrinkles formed around his eyebrows. (?) Seeing the leather bag held in Lawrence's hand, further wrinkles appeared. (?) 

　うまく釣｛つ｝れたようだ。ロレンスは紐を解いて一粒つまむと、騎士にくれてやった。

He seemed to be quite drawn to them. Lawrence unfastened the cord and picked another drop, handing it to the knight. 

　「うむ……うまいな。これは礼をしなければなるまい」

"Mmmmm... these are really good. My thanks to you for them. (?) [ meaning of  ーなるまい? Similar to ーならない？ ]

　騎士は理屈好きだ。ロレンスは商売用の笑顔で特にありがたそうに頭を下げた。

The knight was reasonable. (?) Lawrence wore his business smile and pretended to nod his head gratefully.

　「この辺りで異教徒の祭りが近々開かれると聞き及んでいる。そのためここの警備を任されているのだが、貴様、何か知らんか」

"There's news that (?) around these parts, a pagan festival is about to start. That's why I've been entrusted [ or charged? ] with the task of policing here."
Do you know anything about it?
== Discussion ==

= Chapter 1, Page 22 =

　なんだ、という落胆｛らくたん｝の色を浮かべてしまうようでは三流もいいところだ。ロレンスはしばし悩む振りをしてから、「存じませんねえ」と答える。実際は大嘘｛うそ｝だが、騎士の言うことも間達っているのだから仕方ない。

[ Very lost on this page. ]

Well, with such a dejected colour appearing on his face/even third-rate was good. (?) [ ぜんぜんわっかんね ] Lawrence acted troubled for a while and replied "Dunno about that." Actually that was a big lie, but he didn't really have a choice, seeing how the knight said it. (?) [ lost as well ] (1)

　「やはり秘密裏に行われるものなのか。異教徒は総じて卑怯｛ひきょう｝な連中だからな」

"I see that's still something going on in secret. (?) Those pagans are largely a bunch of cowards." (1)

　騎士｛きし｝の的外｛まとはず｝れな物言いが面白かったが、ロレンスはもちろん指摘せずにそれに同意すると、おいとまを告げた。

It was amusing how widely the knight had missed the mark, but Lawrence of course concurred without correcting him, and informed him that he had to leave.　(2)

　騎士はうなずくともう一度蜂蜜｛はちみつ｝菓子｛がし｝の礼を言ってきた。

The knight nodded assent and thanked him again for the honey drop. (?)

　よほどおいしかったのだろう。下級騎士は装備や旅費に金がかかるばかりで実際の暮らしは子弟入りしたての靴職人のほうが良い。甘｛あま｝いものを食べたのも久しぶりに違いなかった。

It must have been a real treat. For the low-ranked knight, equipment, travel expenses and the like cost so much money that it was in fact better to have become a cobbler instead when he was young. (?) It was ages since he last had anything sweet.

　もっとも、かといってこれ以上あげるつもりもロレンスにはない。蜂蜜菓子も安いものではないのだ。

That may be well and all, but Lawrence didn't plan on giving him any more. (!) [ Meaning of もっとも, かといって and つまり? ] The candy didn't come cheap. (3)

　「しかし、異教徒の祭り、ねえ」

"But still, a pagan festival eh."

　修道院を後にしてだいぶ経｛た｝ってから、ロレンスは騎士の言葉を呟｛つぶや｝いて、苦笑した。

A long while after he left the monastery behind, Lawrence murmured the knight's words and smiled uncomfortably.

　騎士の言うそれには心当たりがある。というよりも、この近辺にいる者ならば皆は知っていることだろう。

He had some idea about what the knight was saying. Besides the knight (?), it was something that all the locals should know about.

　ただ、それは別に異教徒のものでもなんでもない。第一、異教徒などというものはもっともっと北か、もっともっと東のほうにしかいないものだ。

However, it had nothing to do with pagans. First of all, pagans were only present much farther north and farther east.

　この近辺で行われる祭りというのは、騎士がわざわざ配置されるような類｛たぐい｝のものではない。どこでも行われる、麦の収穫を祝い豊作を祈願｛きがん｝するお祭りだ。

The festival here wasn't the kind that required knights to be dispatched. No matter where it was practiced, it was always a festival that celebrated the harvest and prayed for a rich yield. (4)

== Discussion ==

(1) やはり秘密裏に行われるものなのか

: Maybe "So there is something going on in secret [just as i thought]" [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

: Wouldn't that be やはり秘密裏に行われるもの'''がある'''なのか instead? I think the knight is saying specifically that the pagan festival is [ as he expected ] practiced in secret. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 12:19, 21 February 2008 (PST)

:My mistake, you are right, "So it is something going on in secret [just as i thought]" [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 16:33, 27 February 2008 (PST)

(2) 騎士｛きし｝の的外｛まとはず｝れな物言いが面白かったが、ロレンスはもちろん指摘せずにそれに同意すると、おいとまを告げた。

: How wide the knight had missed the mark was amusing (as in the information he had gathered was incorrect) but Lawrence of course naturally expressed his agreement without correcting him, and informed him that he had to leave. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

(3) もっとも、かといってこれ以上あげるつもりもロレンスにはない

: I think the translation is good. もっとも - but then again, かといって - neither, つまり=つもり (typo) [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

(4) ただ、それは別に異教徒のものでもなんでもない。第一、異教徒などというものはもっともっと北か、もっともっと東のほうにしかいないものだ。この近辺で行われる祭りというのは、騎士がわざわざ配置されるような類｛たぐい｝のものではない。どこでも行われる、麦の収穫を祝い豊作の祈願｛きがん｝するお祭りだ。

: But, It didn't have anything to do with pagans. Firstly, there were only pagans in the far north and far east. The festival celebrated in the area weren't ones that required knights to be dispatched. It was a festival that celebrated the harvest and prayed for a rich harvest - a kind of festival that is done everywhere. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 00:41, 20 February 2008 (PST)

: Thanks :) What does the なんでもない in the first sentence mean? If we drop it, ただ、それは別に異教徒のもので would still be "But, It didn't have anything to do with pagans." - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 12:19, 21 February 2008 (PST)

:The sentence would still mean the same thing if it was " ただ、それは別に異教徒のものでもない" but the なんでもない gives it more emphasis that it doesn't even have anything related to them. [[User:Momogan|Momogan]] 16:33, 27 February 2008 (PST)

= Chapter 1, Page 23 =

　ただ、ちょっとこの辺の祭りは他｛ほか｝のところよりも特殊だったり盛大だったりするので、修道院の連中が目をつけて都市部の教会に報告したのだろう。長いこと本格的に教会の手の入らなかったところだから、教会も余計に神経を尖｛とが｝らせているのかもしれない。 

However, the festivals around these parts were somewhat unique from the others, being grander. The monastery monks probably kept an eye on this and reported back to the city church. (?) [ alt: "central church" or "main church"? ] Normally, the hands of the church wouldn't reach into such business far away (?) [ meaning of 長いこと? ], perhaps they were being overly sensitive here. (?) [長いこと本格的に probably means traditionally]

　それに、最近教会は異端審問｛いたんしんもん｝や異教徒の改宗に躍起｛やっき｝になっているし、最近は都市部での神学者と自然学者の言い争いも珍｛めずら｝しくない。昔のようにすべての民衆が無条件に教会にひれ伏すということがなくなってきている。 

Moreover, with the church recently going all out with things like inquisitions and converting pagans, arguments between the theologians and naturalists (?) [ meaning of 自然学者? ] in the cities are no longer uncommon. Things are becoming different from the past, when the entire populace would unquestioningly prostrate themselves before the church. (?) [ meaning of なくなってきている? ]  <--- beginning to disappear

　教会の絶対的であった威厳がほころび始めているのだ。それは町に住む者達ならば口に出せずともうすうす思っていることだろう。実際、教皇｛きょうこう｝は教会税が思ったより入らずに、大神殿の修復費をいくつかの国の王に申し入れたという。十年前ならば信じられない話だった。 

Their absolute dignified authority was beginning to fall apart. It seems this was what the townsfolk thought but did not voice. As things turned out, (?) the tithes came up short from what the Pope expected, and the king had to be propositioned for some of the repair costs for the grand cathedral. Such a thing was inconceivable ten years ago.

　そんな情勢なので教会も威厳を復活させようと躍起なのだ。

It was in such a state of affairs that the church was pushing hard to recover their authority.

　「どこの商売も大変だな」 

"It's gonna be tough doing business anywhere."

　ロレンスは苦笑して、蜂蜜菓子を口に放り込んだのだった。

With a bitter smile [ phrasing ], Lawrence popped another honey drop into his mouth. 



　ロレンスが広大な麦畑に着くと、もう西の空は麦よりも綺麗｛きれい｝な黄金色｛こがねいろ｝だった。速くで鳥が小さな影となって家路を急ぎ、蛙｛カエル｝も寝に入ることを告げているかのようにそこかしこで鳴いていた。 

By the time Lawrence arrived at the wide wheat fields, the western sky was already a shade of gold more brilliant [ lit: beautiful ] than the wheat. Tiny bird shadows will soon be hurrying home, and the croaking of pollywogs everywhere announce their imminent slumber. [ Does 'pollywog' refer to only tadpoles, or can it refer to frogs in general as well? ]
速くで鳥が小さな影となって家路を急ぎ shouldn't this be "Birds (quickly) hurrying home become small shadows"
== Discussion ==

= Chapter 1, Page 24 =

　麦畑はほとんど収穫が終わっているようで、祭りは近日中だろう。早ければ明後日｛あさって｝には行わ 
れるかもしれない。 

The harvesting looked nearly finished, the festival ought to be within a few days. If things pick up, it could even be the day after tomorrow. 

　ロレンスの目の前に広がるのはこの地方では結構な収穫高を誇るパスロエの村の麦畑だ。収穫高が高ければ村人もそこそこ裕福｛ゆうふく｝になれる。その上ここ一体を管理するエーレンドット伯爵｛はくしゃく｝が近隣に名が轟｛とどろ｝くほどの変わり者で、貴族のくせに土いじりが好きなせいで自然と祭りにも協力的だから、毎年飲めや歌えの大騒｛さわ｝ぎのようだ。 

Spread out before Lawrence's eyes were Pasroe village's wheat fields, which boasted fairly high crop yields. Large harvests meant that the villagers would soon prosper as well. Furthermore, Count Eirendott, the lord of the land (?) [ lit: one in charge of everything ], was notorious (?) [ text seems stronger ] in the neighbourhood as an eccentric. The nobleman peculiarly enjoyed gardening as a hobby, and was cooperative with the natural environment and festivals, [ phrasing ] and every year there was a terrific racket, with drinking and singing and other revelry.

　ただ、ロレンスはそれに参加したことがない。残念なことに部外者は参加できないのだ。

However, Lawrence would not be a part of that. It was too bad that outsiders could not join in.

「いよう、おつかれさん」 

"Hullo, a hard day's work." (?)(1)

　そんな村の麦畑の一角で荷車に麦を積んでいる農夫に声をかけた。よく実った麦だ。先物｛さきもの｝買いをした連中はほっと胸をなでおろしていることだろう。 

In the corner of the village wheat fields, peasants were piling wheat on a cart. Lawrence called out a greeting to them. [ restructured ]  The wheat had ripened beautifully. Those who had bought futures in it could breathe a sigh of relief.

「おー？」
 
"Ho?"

「ヤレイさんはどの辺にいるかな」
 
Where can I find Mr Yarei?" [ should I drop the 'Mr'? ]

「おお、ヤレイさんならあっちの、ほれ、あっちで人がたかってるだろ。あの畑だな。今年はヤレイさんのところは若い者ばっかでな。手際が悪いせいで今年はあそこの畑の誰かが『ホロ』だな」

"Oh, if it's Yarei you want, he's over yonder with, look, see the big group over there? That's the field. This year, there's only youngin's with him. In that field, whoever's the slow one [ lit: performs poorly ] this year's gonna be 'Horo'."

　農夫は日焼けした顔にいっぱいの笑みを浮かべながら楽しそうに言う。商人には絶対にいない、裏表のない人間だけが浮かべることのできる笑顔だ。 

Merry words seemed to pass between the peasants, their tanned faces filled with emerging laughter. [ or smiles? ] This was something a merchant could never be, only people without a hidden side to them [ phrasing ] could carry such happy countenances.

== Discussion ==

(1) What does おつかれきん mean? For that matter, how do people normally translate おつかれ?

: おつかれ - thanks for your hard work. emphasis on "hard work". おつかれさん or おつかれさま generally means the same thing.  - [[User:Tsuyuri|Tsuyuri]] 02:12, 25 feb 2008 (GMT +8)

: But what about the meaning of おつかれきん? I know おつかれ literally means 'It's been tiring', but this (and similar literal translations) usually don't sound normal in English. I know 'Good job' is a common (interpreted) translation. Doesn't fit here though, I wanted to hear some others, and maybe get ideas for this and future instances of おつかれ. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 15:19, 25 February 2008 (PST)

: おつかれ is actually a short form (or it may seem a little more informal) derived from おつかれさん or おつかれさま. in my opinion "おつかれさま" is a more correct, formal and common way of using it. they all have the same meaning.  - [[User:Tsuyuri|Tsuyuri]] 00:57, 27 feb 2008 (GMT +8)

: Sorry, I typoed おつかれさん as おつかれきん a long while back. Someone corrected it, but I didn't notice. >.< Thanks for the info. - [[User:AlephNull|AlephNull]] 09:05, 29 February 2008 (PST)

= Chapter 1, Page 25 =

　ロレンスは農夫に商売用の笑顔で礼を言って、馬をヤレイ達のほうに向けた。 

Lawrence put on his business smile for the peasants, and saying his thanks turned his horse towards Yarei's group.

　その区画は農夫の言った通りに人がたかっていて、畑の中に向かって口々に何かを叫んでいた。

Like the peasant said, there were lots of people in this area, many voices were shouting something from the middle of the field .

　それは最後まで作業をしている連中を囃｛はや｝し立てているのだが、別に作業の遅れを罵｛ののし｝っているわけではない。罵ることがすでに祭りの一部なのだ。 

The shouts were taunts and jives directed at the last group to finish the work, (?)(1) but it wasn't to ridicule their tardiness. Such teasing was part and parcel of the festival.

　ロレンスがのんびりと近づいていくと、やがて騒いでいる内容も聞こえてきた。 
 
Lawrence casually approached, and soon could discern the commotion.

「狼｛オオカミ｝がいるぞ狼がいるぞ！」 

"The wolf is here, the wolf is here!"

「それ、そこに狼が横たわっているぞ！」
 
"There, that's where the wolf is lying!"

「最後に狼を掴｛つか｝むのは誰だ誰だ誰だ！」 
 
"Last one catches the wolf, whosit whosit whosit!"

　皆口々に囃し立て、酒が入っているかのように陽気に笑っている。ロレンスが人垣｛ひとがき｝の後ろに荷馬車を止めても誰も気がつかないほどだった。 

Every voice was joined in raucous cadence (1), and every person merrily laughing as though in a stupor. (?) [ restructured ] Lawrence stopped his cart behind the crowd without any of them noticing.

　しかし、彼らが口にしている狼とは実際の狼ではない。実際に狼がいたらさすがに笑っていられないだろう。

In spite of the villagers' cries of "wolf", there weren't in fact any. [ the village that cried wolf =P ] If a wolf were indeed present, they certainly wouldn't be laughing.

　狼とは豊作の神の化身｛けしん｝で、村の連中から聞いた話では最後に刈り取られる麦の中にいて、それを刈り取った者の中に入り込むという言い伝えらしい。 

The wolf was the personification of the god of harvest, what was heard amongst the villagers was that it lay within the last of the wheat to be reaped. Legend had it that that the wolf would possess whoever cut this last wheat.

「最後の一束だ！」 

"That's the last sheaf!"

「刈り過ぎないように注意しろ！」 

"Hear, hear, those who haven't finished cutting!" (?)

== Discussion ==

(1) Meaning of 囃し立て here? Could it encompass both the 'jeering' and 'musical' meanings of the 囃 kanji, i.e. jeering, but in a rhythmic manner? Consider all the repetitions in the cries in this and the following page.

= Chapter 1, Page 26 =

「欲張りの手からはホロが逃げるぞ！」 

"Horo flees from greedy hands!" (!)
 
「狼｛オオカミ｝を掴｛つか｝んだのは誰だ誰だ誰だ」 

"Who's gonna catch the wolf, whosit whosit whosit."

「ヤレイだヤレイだヤレイだ！」 

"Yarei's it Yarei's it Yarei's it!"

　ロレンスが荷馬車から降りて人垣｛ひとがき｝の向こうをひょいと覗｛のぞ｝くと、ちょうどヤレイが最後の一束を掴んだところだった。土と汗｛あせ｝に汚｛よご｝れた真っ黒な顔に苦笑いをいっぱいに浮かべ、そして一息に麦を刈り取ると束を掲げて空に向かって叫んだのだった。 

Lawrence alighted from the cart, and peering through (?) the crowd, just happened to see Yarei grabbing the last sheaf. His face, blackened with dirt and sweat, revealed a broad, wry grin. In a single effort, [ phrasing ] he raised the harvested sheaf and howled at the sky.

「アオオオオオオオオオオオン」 

"Auuooooooooooon"

「ホロだホロだホロだ!」 

"It's Horo it's Horo it's Horo!"

「アオオオオオオオオオオオン」 

"Auuooooooooooon"

「狼ホロが現れたぞ！狼ホロが現れたそ！」 

"The wolf Horo has appeared! The wolf Horo has appeared!"

「それ捕｛つか｝まえろ、やれ捕まえろ！」 

"Catch it, oh catch it!"

「逃がすな、追え！」 

"After it, don't let it get away!"

　それまで口々に囃｛はや｝し立てていた男達が、唐突｛とうとつ｝に走り出したヤレイを追いかけていった。
 
With that, the men who had been calling out suddenly broke into a run and chased after Yarei.

　豊作の神は追い詰められ、人間に乗り移ってどこかに逃げようとする。それを捕｛と｝らえてまた一年、この畑にいてもらうのだ。

Able to run down the god of harvest, / if it were to possess a human, where could it run to? (!) It's been a year since the last catch, this field/giving (!)
 
　実際に神がいるのかどうかはわからない。ただ、ここの土地の者達はもう長い間それを続けている。

Who knows whether or not there's actually a deity present. However, the inhabitants of this land have carried on that belief for a long time.

== Discussion ==

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= Chapter 1, Page 27 =

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ロレンスは各地を飛び回る行商人だから教会の教えを頭から信じてはいないが
Lawrence, having gone to places as a Traveling Merchant, did not place his beliefs in the preachings of the Church.

迷信深さや ぽ弓，ら〈 信心深さはこの農夫逮以上だ
But when it came to superstitions, his beliefs in them could be above those of a farming peasant.

苦労して山を越えて町にたどり着いたら商品が暴落していた、 さはんじ なんてことは日常茶飯事だ。迷信深くも信心深くもなるというものだ。 
You could not exactly blame him for it, when you consider that many times, after he had put in a great amount of effort in transporting goods over mountains into the next town, only to find that the good were being devalued.

だから、熱心な信徒や教会関係者が見たら目をむくようなそんな儀式もロレンス仁は気にな らない。
In turn, Lawrence did not care for the ways and rituals which the fanatics or those from the church deemed of importance.

ただ、ヤレイがホロになってしまったのには少し困った。
But, he did find it a bit of a bother that Yarei had been chosen as Horo.

こうなるとヤレイは祭りが終わる ζ〈もっちそう まで穀物庫にご馳走と共に一週間近く閉じ込められ、話ができなくなるからだ。 
As that would mean that for an entire week of the ritual, Yarei would be locked up in a Cellar with provisions, and he will have no chance of speaking to him.

「仕方ない:::」
"This can't be helped."

ロレンスはため息をついて荷馬車に戻ると、馬を村長宅のほうに向けた。 
Lawrence signed and returned to his carriage and turned the Horse to the director of the Village Elder's home.

昼間の修道院での話を報告しがてら、ヤレイと久しぶりに酒でも酌み交わしたかったのだが、 荷台に積んである毛皮をきっきt換金しないt別の地方で買った商品の代金支払日が迫ってい る。
Lawrence had wanted to make small takes with Yarei about what had happened at the monastry during the day over a drink. But if he did not hasten to turn the furs on his carriage into monetary values, he would not have enough cash to pay even the taxation on the goods he was carrying after he reached the other places.

それに、山奥の村から持ってきた麦も早〈売り込みに行きたかったから祭りが終わるまで 待つこ'とはできなかった。 
On top of that, he had long wished to sell those Wheats he had obtained from the Village in the mountains. And thus he could not wait until the Festival ended.

ロレンスは祭りの準備を指揮していた村長に手短に昼間のことを伝えるt、泊まっていりと とじ いう誘いを固辞して村をあとにした。 
Lawrence spoke brifely to the Village Elders, who were directing the preparation of the festival, regarding what had happend during the day and left the Village, turning down the Elder's offer for him to stay the night.

ロレンスは昔、まだこの領地に今の伯爵が来る前、重税が課されているせいで値段が高くな 
りあまり市場で人気のなかったここの麦を買い、地道に薄利で売っていたことがあった。
In the past, before the current Baron takes charge of this fief, taxation had caused the value of wheat to rise beyond what the market deemed favourable. Lawrence had bought someof the wheat to make a meagre living during those times.

== Discussion ==
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= Chapter 1, Page 28 =

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それ信か は別にこの土地の者逮に恩を売るつもりではなくて、単純に別の安〈て人気のある麦を、他の 
商人達t競争してまで買い付けができるほど資金力が主かっただけなのだが、当時のことを今 でも感謝されている。ヤレイは、その時の村側の値段交渉人だった。 
Lawrence was not doing this to win favours with the people living here. It was just because he did not have the financial means to compete with the other merchants to buy the cheap and popular wheats. But because of this, Yarei, who was the middleman of the village, felt in debt to Lawrence.

ヤレイと酒が飲めないことは残念だったが、どの道ホロが出ればいくらもしないうちに部外か者を 追い出して祭 りは佳境に入る。
It's did not matter whether he got a drink with Yarei actually, once Horo makes an apperance, the villagers will chase away all outsiders towards the climax of the festival.

泊めてもらってもす「に追い出されてしまうだけだ。
So it also did not matter even if he accepts the offer to stay the night.

その そがいとた疎外感は、独りで荷馬車の上にいることに少し寂しさを覚え始めた身にはちょっと応え る。 
This feeling of being outcasted, troubled Lawrence so, after being reminded that he was truly alone on the carraige.

みやげ土産に持たされた野菜をかじりながら進路を西に取り、作業を終えて村のほうに帰っていく 
陽気な良夫達とすれ違う。
Chewing on the vegetable given to him by the locals, Lawrence headed west. It was clear that he was on a different path from those joyous famers heading home after a hard day's work.

うらや再びいつもの独り旅に戻るロレンスは、仲間のいる彼らが少し決ましかったのだった。
Once more, Lawrence began his lonely journey, but not without feeling a bit of envy towards those with company.

しんせ' ロレンスは今年で二十五になる行商人だ。
Lawrence, age 25 as of this year, is a Travelling Merchant.

十二の時に親戚の行商人の下について十八て独り立ちをした。
He started learning the ropes at 12 from another relative in the trades and only set out from the age of 18.

行商人としてはまだまだ知らない地域のほうが多く、これからが勝負という感じ た。
Even as a Traveling Merchant, Lawrence still had places he never knew, heard or seen about. And so his days had only just began.

たも夢は金を溜めてどこかの町に腐を持ちたいという行商人の例に漏れないものだったが、その Sいに〈 
夢もまだまだ遠そうだ。
And like any other Travelling Merchant, Lawrence bore the same dream of making enough money to save up and open a shop in a town somewhere where he could settle down in. To this dream, he still had a long way to make it a reality.

何かチャンスがあればそうでもないのだろうが、生憎とそんなものは大商人が金ぞ持っていってし まう。
He had met with chances close enough to achieve that. But all these had been snatched away from him by those big time merchants.

== Discussion ==
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= Chapter 1, Page 29 =
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== Discussion ==
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= Chapter 1, Page 30 =

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にう衷 
だから、行商人同士の会話の中で時折耳にする荷馬が人聞になったという話なども、聞いた 
当初こそ笑い飛ばしていたものの、最近ではつい本当なのかと思ってしまう。 
So, occasionally he heard in a conversation of merchants　that a horse had become a human being, and he laughed at it the first time. But recentry he often thought it was true.
めす 
馬屋の主人の中には若い行商人が荷馬を買う時、馬が人間仁なってもいいよう仁雌の馬を買 
っておけ、なんて真顔で勧める者もいるくらいだ。 
Some of horse sellers sincerely persuaded you to buy the female horse. Then you would be happy if the horse become a human being.
bue' 
ロレンスもそんなことを言われた目だったが、もちろん無視して力強い雄の馬を購入した。 
Lawrence was also told that, but he bought a strong male horse. 

その馬は今でも元気に働いてくれているロレンスの目の前仁いる馬なのだが、
The horse still works well in front of Rolence, 
時折やってく る人恋しきの波に洗われるtついつい雌の馬を購入するべきだったかと思ってしまう。 
Lawrence thought if he had bought a female horse when he feels lonely.

もっとも、来る日も来る日も重い荷物を運ばせているのだ。
He made his horse carry the heavy load everyday. 

例え人間になったとしてもよく 聞く話のように馬の持ち主である行商人と恋に落ちたり、不思議なカで行商人に幸運を授りて くれたりするとはtても思えない。 
If the horse became a human being, it would not make love with its master　or give a fortune to him in a mysterious way. 

きゅうけい 
せいぜいが休憩t給料を請求される〈らいだろうと思う。 
The horse would only ask for the rest and payments.

とたん 
そう考えると途端に馬は馬のままでよいと願いたくなるのだから勝手なものだ。
In that way, he selfishly thought a horse should be a horse.
ロレンスは あき 
独り苦笑いVをして、自分自身を呆れるようにため息をついたのだった。
Lawrence smiled bitterly, and sighed as if he washed his hands of himself.

そんなことをしているとやがて川に突き当たり、今日はこの辺で野宿をするこtにした。
Then he came to a river, and he decided he would camp out around there.

い くら満月で道が明るくても川に落ちないとは限らないからだ。
He could fall in the river though it was bright because of the full moon. 
そんなことになれば一大事Eこ ろではない。ロレンスは首を〈くらなければならなくなる。それだけはごめんだった。 
That case was very bad. He would go into bankruptcy.

色づ伝 
ロレンスが手綱を引き、止まる合図を出すと馬もようやく訪れた休憩の気配に気がついたよ
Lawrence reined up the horse, and the horse showed a sign of rest.

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I made some translation changes to the last section of the chapter.  (The page reference is to the Japanese version.)  As explained [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=2505 here], I am a n00b, so I did not follow proper procedures, but I am trying to rectify that after the fact.  So please take a look at [http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Spice_%26_Wolf:Chapter_01&diff=prev&oldid=39747 my changes], and I guess let me know if they are acceptable? - [[User:Quethiril|Quethiril]] 12:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)