Editing User talk:Vaelis (section)

== Message ==

Did anyone ever tell you that you are way too rigid? Don't bother answering. I just wanted you to know. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  11:58, 11 May 2012 (CDT)

Your the man(or woman)! Don't let others tell you otherwise. Great job translating stuff into French btw, helps me test my french reading skills. - Melty -  1:26, 11 May 2012 (EST)

I... worked... hard on those edits. What are you doing? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  11:19, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

I'm putting back all the correct punctuations and you better stop undoing what I've done. And from now on, stop your "zero check" on the SAO project. [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 11:24, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

In case you think I am wrong. Please read these two articles [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks]. And Note that Baka-Tsuki uses Media-wiki thus Wikipedia Manual of Style applies for optimal style of editing. I quote from these two articles:

#'''First Link, second paragraph:''' Quotation marks are written as a pair of opening and closing marks in either of two styles: single (‘…’) or double (“…”). Opening and closing quotation marks '''may be identical in form (called neutral, vertical, straight, typewriter or "dumb" quotation marks), or may be distinctly left-handed and right-handed (typographic or, colloquially, curly quotation marks)'''; see quotation mark glyphs for details.

#'''Second Link: Under <u>Quotation Marks</u> heading there is a subheading <u>Quotation characters</u>:''' Do not use grave and acute accents or backticks (`text´) as quotation marks (or as apostrophes). There are two possible methods for rendering quotation marks at Wikipedia (that is, the glyphs, displayed with emphasis here, for clarity): Typewriter or straight style: "text", 'text'. Recommended at Wikipedia. Typographic or curly style: “text”, ‘text’. Not recommended at Wikipedia.

Since both are correct english-wise and yet the typewriter quotes are recommended on sites using mediawiki plus they take lesser space on the web, thus they are the optimal choice. Once again I humbly apologize and hope for your understanding. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  11:25, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

We're Baka-tsuki, we do however we want and don't care how it's done elsewhere. Stop bothering me, the decision is final. [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 11:26, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

Your decision is a mistake. One born of prejudice rather than calm judgement. Open your eyes. It's more optimal to use typewriter quotation marks. Why are you reverting every one of my changes recently. Is this how you do things? By one-sidedly using your authority to stomp on me? If you're a real leader then at least consider the things I have said and use proper arguments to convince me you are right. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  11:28, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

Furthermore, Zero Check is my code term for ''spelling, grammar, punctuation, *SFX*, references, etc correction as well as end of line white-spaces' removal''. In other words, in order to remove 1/5 factors of the changes you also removed the other 4. At least for those 4 factors, I went through every line and made the changes after examining everything. But you just didn't even do any work and undid mine simply by the click of a button. ''You could have incorporated those changes if you had used undo properly.'' But you just... And what of the changes in stuttering. Japanese and English denote stuttering in different ways. Japanese uses commas and three dots while English uses hyphens and three dots. Punctuation wasn't the only change I made and you reverted all those completely legitimate edits. ''Unlike me'', you didn't even make the effort to check through it all did you? And you still say you're in the right? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  11:55, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

Are you really in the right here? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  12:07, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

In my opinion, there isn't really a wrong or right when it comes to format styling.  As long as it's understandable I doubt most people care one way or the other anyway.  The way I understand it, I'd leave the standardization up to Vaelis as the project administrator,  while the editors should correct grammatical errors and the like.  [[Special:Contributions/74.133.76.121|74.133.76.121]] 12:26, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

Yeah but if there isn't a wrong or a right then shouldn't the one with the most perks be used? Typewriter quotes take less space than curly ones and unless you're using an FullHD sized monitor or zooming into at least 8x, you actually can't see any difference between curly and typewriter. So why not use typewriter since it reduces the size and there isn't any visual difference for most readers? Plus he didn't just revert the quotation marks. He also reverted my other edits. He could have kept those edits if he made those changes during undo edit mode but he didn't just because he didn't want to do the work. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  12:42, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

You really think it's easy to put back all the correct punctuations while keeping your other changes? Then do it for all the previous chapters where you replaced the punctuation, I will really appreciate it (and you might realize the time it takes). I was going to put back the other edits you did with the punctuation but you can't even wait a few hours... [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 14:48, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

You're the one with the problem with punctuation that isn't even wrong (See the links and examples I have given above nowhere is it written that either typewriter or curly quotation marks are wrong, just what is recommended and I gave you a very good reason). Shouldn't you be the one to do it? Just like I did. With the spelling, grammar, *SFX* and s-stuttering edits, etc. And until now whenever you did something like this I haven't seen you do it. Why should I believe what you just said? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  19:52, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

Let me ask you again. Are you really in the right here? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  20:01, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

You know, the whole reason why those curlies exist in the first place is because of word processors like MS Word whose main purpose is to print hard copies (on paper). "Typing like this (using edit mode) doesn't give them." Plus curlies take more space '''and''' you can't even see the difference between the two with a normal computer monitor. Is there really any merit in switching to curlies? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  20:05, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

You still don't understand that the origin of this problem is you. Editors should edit in a way where other people can check the change but when you change 30 grammar/spelling lost in the middle of 500 punctuation change, do you really think there is people who will check your edits? No, you're editing in a way where no one can check! Anyway you're still ranting about volume 6 even thought I put back a lot of your edits afterward. [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 05:28, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

Thanks for doing that. That's one problem off my chest. Now.. pardon me if this annoys you but... You haven't actually said anything in support of curlies, have you? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  06:59, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

Well I'll put Sword Art Online on my list of exclusions for quote marks, for now. I believe that will be acceptable. You have no problems with my other edits do you? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  07:16, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

But... you really are too rigid over the smallest things, you know. You remind me of my past self. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  07:23, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

To be honest, hooked quotation marks, or 'curlies' only assist the reader in reading when the font of the text is Times New Roman, or any other font that uses hooked letters. On Baka-Tsuki, the font is Calibri which uses no hooks, meaning hooked quotation marks will not benefit the reader (and may even be detrimental because (‘…’ “…”) are smaller to read and take more bytes). I hope Sword Art is in Times New Roman, because hooked and non-hooked characters just don't mix well. [[User:Lofthouse|Lofthouse]] 07:35, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

I'm starting to wonder about something, aren't people seeing the same thing than me? In this [[Sword_Art_Online:Volume_6_Chapter_7|page]], I see it like this [http://i46.tinypic.com/2ni18v7.png pic]. I can clearly see the difference between the quotation mark around "Onii-chan~!" and the ones around “Wha…what’s wrong, Sugu?”. 

About "You haven't actually said anything in support of curlies, have you?", I have mostly one reason and it's enough for me: we're translating a book -> we should use the typography used in books no matter the media used for the translation. The main reason why people (and a lot of website) don't use it is because on the keyboard we don't have the correct quotation mark. That's why we have computer softwares to do it automatically like MS Word [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 08:09, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

About "You have no problems with my other edits do you?", I think that a lot of them are fine but since English isn't my mother tongue, I'm not really a good judge about that. That's why the edits should be easy to check by other editors. [[User:Vaelis|Vaelis]] 08:09, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

In that case there should be minimal problems. When I gave my O-Levels I got an A+ even though I was reading novels before the English Exam. Plus, I recently graduated from Cardiff University, Wales, UK and in order to go there I had to get a Visa but I didn't even need to give IELTS exams because of my O-Level English marks. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  08:14, 16 May 2012 (CDT)