Editing Talk:Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai (section)

==Deletion== 
Uhm, why were all those chapters of vol 2 deleted? Somehow I would say it looks a little like vandalism, if I wouldnt know that Hayashi was also the translator... --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 01:33, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Sad ending.  --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] ([[User talk:Chancs|talk]]) 01:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::so [[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] decided to leave and deleted all of his translation~ --[[User:Woyo|Woyo]] ([[User talk:Woyo|talk]]) 01:45, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::Oh god, did Zero2001 kill yet another series...? *facepalm* [[User:Betacyanin|Betacyanin]] ([[User talk:Betacyanin|talk]]) 01:47, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::Hey I didn't say anything wrong. Period. If he wants to act that way then let him. I don't know what his problem is. As far as I know we've had no problems at all. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  01:48, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::And I've never killed a series before so could you please not smear my name unfairly. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  02:09, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::Yeah I know. Something seems wrong. It's like Hayashi_s became a completely different person in the past few days. I hope he's okay. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  02:10, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Uhm, that deletion is something I cant understand... Baka-tsuki is a wiki so it  is supposed that text will  be edited. Usually we even encourage editing. He could have asked for a page protection to prevent unwanted edits like it was done for the first chapters of [[Toaru Majutsu no Index]] --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 02:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Eh Darklor, does that mean if a translator no longer wishes for his translations to be on BT (true in this case), he can't delete it? [[User:Florza|Florza]] ([[User talk:Florza|talk]]) 02:22, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Welcome to the rage against Zero2001 campaign everyone... >_< [[User:Stellarroze|Stellarroze]] 02:27, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Even you, Stella? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  02:30, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Just what is going on? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  02:30, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::Don't worry Zero. It's just that everybody now has got a chance to pull your leg  :P  --[[User:Chancs|Chancs]] ([[User talk:Chancs|talk]]) 02:33, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::Zero, I have nothing against you personally. I was just making a statement about the current situation. [[User:Stellarroze|Stellarroze]] 02:39, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::::Don't worry Zero you just killed a potential Translator. You lit the powder-keg more to follow. --[[User:Lllllllllllllllll|Lllllllllllllllll]] ([[User_talk:Lllllllllllllllll|Talk]])‎ 02:40, 5 November 2012‎ (CST)

Is see it like that: He could have asked Oni for the deletion. If the deletion was done by Oni I wouldn't have said or done anything, but with a deletion out of the blue one could assume that there is a hacked account who likes to disrupt the order of the wiki. --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 02:48, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Sadly, that is mostly my fault. I wanted to keep this under wraps. Yes, I know Oni could have done it (after a little while), but the possible questions afterwards are more than the simple matters of the few people worrying currently. This might be more messy upfront, but it is cleaner in the long run. The account was not hacked, and the deletions were vetted. I did verify he wanted to do so prior to him doing such. This certainly isn't a normal occurrence, but it was a controlled one. [[User:Hobogunner|Hobogunner]] ([[User talk:Hobogunner|talk]]) 03:05, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::So you're saying this was something planned in advance and not something spur-of-the-moment? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  03:07, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::This Lllllllllllllllll guy is seriously annoying. It was his unauthorized removal of my name from the editor list that started this mess in the first place. And that was his '''very first edit'''. [[Special:Contributions/Lllllllllllllllll|Check his contributions and see for yourself.]] All his edits are just centered around me and this mess. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  03:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:::It was both. This is one of those times you drop your losses and move on. Please, let this simply be, I do not wish to discuss this further. That user problem is a matter not for this talk page. Please do not discuss it here. [[User:Hobogunner|Hobogunner]] ([[User talk:Hobogunner|talk]]) 03:13, 5 November 2012 (CST)

So, I have to go through someone who is hardly ever around before being able to remove my own translations... I will have to seriously think about whether I should continue to put my translations on Baka-Tsuki. I believe I should make it very clear now in case people suspect my account of ever being hacked. [[User:Florza|Florza]] ([[User talk:Florza|talk]]) 03:18, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:There is also the big boss himself - and he usually reacts in short time when contacted --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] ([[User talk:Darklor|talk]]) 03:42, 5 November 2012 (CST)

What's going on here? why vol 2 deleted? --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 08:08, 5 November 2012 (CST)

:Actually its more like this guy called zero2001 whose annoying. Guy can't take a hint who denser than a politician. Guy who caused this problem and thinks hes innocence. --  [[User:Lllllllllllllllll|Lllllllllllllllll]] ([[User_talk:Lllllllllllllllll|Talk]])‎ 09:04, 5 November 2012‎ (CST)

::Lllllllllllllllll: I'm now officially warning you. The only edits you've ever made are to smear my name. And it's getting annoying. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  20:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)

::LiTTleDRAgo: I'm not sure. It started with Lllllllllllllllll here removing my name from the editor's list '''without any kind of permission''' and then when I put it back. Hayashi_s just suddenly up and tried to block out all the editors while using abusive language and when I told him what he was doing was wrong he just up and disappeared taking all his work. But it's only for the ones he worked on. The other languages shouldn't be affected unless he worked on them directly. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] -  20:36, 5 November 2012 (CST)


Deletion of the project was the last resort. I didn't want to do it, but unfortunately it was the only solution that would leave everyone moderately happy.

After I formally took over the supervisor role for UMD, the first thing I did was to re-evaluate the list of active staff on the project. After sorting out the translators into their respective categories, I moved on to the editors. Editors are a tricky subject. According to the BT guidelines, "Editors are people who proofread the translated text and correct spelling and grammar errors. Editors are also generally native speakers of the target language and are expected to be knowledgeable of said spelling and grammar." The problem now was that I didn't need someone like that. As a native speaker, my command of the English language was (and still is) sufficient such that I could translate fluently from Japanese to English without significant error. Therefore, it was obvious to me I wouldn't need an editor in the BT sense.

What I did need was someone who was also fluent in Japanese, to point out any mistranslations that might have inadvertently occurred. But then BT was already facing a shortage of translators. It wouldn't be right to deprive BT of a potential translator just to satisfy my high standards. Hence, the post regarding editors.

Consulting all the past edits on UMD, I found there were no significant contributions from any of the editors that corrected any glaring errors on the wiki. So, I purged the editor section. However, after doing so, it was brought to my attention that doing so without warning was high-handed and unfair, since there were other translators on the project and editors did edit their work.

Therefore, I had 2 options:
:1.) Delete all other translator's work, so that I'd be the sole contributor and therefore be able to remove the editor list.

::Obviously, this was stupid. The aim of BT is to encourage anyone and everyone to contribute; deleting stuff would be disrespecting the effort put in by the other translators.

:2.) Remove my work, and step down from the project.

::My problem lay with the fact I didn't want an editor, while the editor didn't want to leave. So in order to avoid a messy debacle over something so trivial as a simple list and who's on it, I decided that he could keep his editing role, but since having an editor went against my wishes I would have to step down. Plus, I realized the two other editors had made significant contributions in areas not related to actual editing, but valuable nonetheless and removing them like that would be unfair to them as well. Hence, stepping down was the only choice left.

This way, I could retain control over my work without needless interference and the editor would still remain on that list. The only people left worse off are the people who follow UMD. To you, I say this: Just because UMD might never appear on BT again doesn't mean it'll be lost forever. BT is not the only place to find LNs, it is merely the biggest. Someday the deliciously tsundere Charlotte and the lethally yandere Yaya may yet appear in some corner of the internet. Thank you for all your support while I was active on UMD.

--[[User:Hayashi s|Hayashi s]] ([[User talk:Hayashi s|talk]]) 10:05, 6 November 2012 (CST)

:I understand your decision, it's unfortunately that things turn out like this but I respect your decision. Thanks for translating UMD, hope to see your translation in another place soon --[[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 10:27, 6 November 2012 (CST)

::Actually, If you don't want people to edit your work, you could ask for it to be protected. As for the past contributions of editors, I think you could list them as inactive, I believe that should shove the problem, they still have credit for the past contributions but they wil not edit your work anymore. I hope that you could continue translating but either ways i respect your decision . --[[Special:Contributions/113.190.233.9|113.190.233.9]] ([[User_talk:113.190.233.9|Talk]])‎ 00:56, 7 November 2012‎