Editing Talk:Log Horizon

== About honorific ==

Can we just use normal Japanase honorific such as -san,-sama, onii-chan, etc -- [[User:Endo|Endo]] ([[User talk:Endo|talk]]) 08 November 2013

:I was going to bring up something similar in the forums to get the other editors' opinions. I will ask about this as well. -- [[User:Guardianknight|Guardianknight]] ([[User talk:Guardianknight|talk]]) 07:25, 8 November 2013 (CST)

::We need someone to crosscheck with JP ver (TL-kun translate this from C -> E) -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 07:48, 8 November 2013 (CST)

Just asking if this project are approved, and who is the Project Administrator, Project Supervisor and Project Leader: ? -- [[User:X-Rates|X-Rates]]  00:44, 10 November 2013 (CST)

:I doubt we need them for now. The translator isn't from BT, I don't think we can just "supervise other community translation" like the translation were ours -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 03:01, 10 November 2013 (CST)

Has there been any consensus about using Japanese honorifics, or nicknames? For example, Nyanta likes to call Shiroe "Shiroechi," and Soujirou as "Soujicchi" Would the translator mind? Also, I recently noticed that the punctuation for sentences could be different in the Japanese version. Would the translator mind if we tried to be consistent?

Also, the Japanese LN liked to consistently put terms in brackets like so: <Debauchery Tea Part> or <D.D.D>. How would the translator or others (but mainly the translator) feel about doing the same? -- [[User:Rasen|Rasen]] 09:48, 10 November 2013‎ (CST)

:TL-kun give us the permission to do whatever we want to his translation -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 03:01, 10 November 2013 (CST)

::Really? Fantastic! I'll try and do this in phases/separate editing session, from least objectionable to most. That way, if people really have a problem with one phase of changes, they can undo them in one go. Hope that's ok with everyone?

::1)Japanese honorifcs/nicknames. Done with (v2-4). Wouldn't mind some feedback if people like this, or would prefer the original. Naturally, the most important opinion belongs to the TL, as I sure as fun can't do what he/she did, and I don't want to step on any toes.

::2)Matching sentences/punctuation to Japanese version. I think a number of the really long compound sentences may have been the result of Japanese->Chinese. On further reflection, that's basically saying I intend to review every line of the translation. I dunno what I was smoking, but it must have been good. Still, I opened my big mouth...my cross to bear, I suppose.
::-- [[User:Rasen|Rasen]] 12:55, 11 November 2013‎ (CST)

== Novel Illustrations ==

Seems someone from AnimeSuki already has all the illustrations up to volume 6.

Link to the message post: [http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?s=65005d4bb56f58b9836e2ecf8c18ef9a&p=4865516#post4865516 Link]

Location of the novel illustrations: [http://imgur.com/a/BMYhZ/all Link] --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 08:34, 10 November 2013 (CST)

Would anyone object to me trying to put the images from the novel into the approximate place where they belong in the chapters? I can only do that for the translated parts of volume 1 (its the only one i have a copy of the original work for reference)? [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 14:44, 1 December 2013 (CST)

:I dunno about anyone else, but I don't see a problem with it. Just so you know, I've put in hidden tags showing where each page starts, for volumes 2-3, and 4 pt 1. So that should give you an idea where each image went in the original volume.  -- [[User:Rasen|Rasen]] 15:29, 1 December 2013 (CST)

::Ah, I may take a stab at doing some of that then. Out of curoisoty, are those page numbers based on the Japanese or Chinese books? Is a format similar to how they do it with Mahouka okay?([[Mahouka_Koukou_no_Rettousei:Volume_1_Chapter_1]]) [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 15:44, 1 December 2013 (CST)

Incidentally, I just checked on the illustration page numbers listed in for volume 1 and a lot of them were off by a few pages (I fixed them to match the paper copy), but maybe someone with a physical copy of books 2-5 should double-check the rest? Also, I just noticed we're using the cover of the manga for the series image, should we perhaps swap that with the cover of volume 1? [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 03:45, 3 December 2013 (CST)

::I can vouch for most of the images I uploaded in volumes 2-5 being in the right places; some illustrations in volume 5 could be in the wrong places but educatated guessing of where they should be according to the missing pages I have in my raws, is how I deduced where the rest go. Another note image files in volume 1 now need to be moved/renamed to the correct pages. I'll do that when I get back and can double check the illustrations, the double pages with page numbers at the bottom are correct.--[[User:Drowzycow|Drowzycow]] ([[User talk:Drowzycow|talk]]) 14:05, 3 December 2013 (CST)

== Image fonts ==

Anyone know the font used in the translated images? Thinking about editing the annex ones. --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 09:39, 14 November 2013 (CST)

:Anime Ace : [http://www.1001fonts.com/anime-ace-font.html Link] -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 11:40, 14 November 2013 (CST)

== Brackets ==

About those <> brackets in vol 2 chapter 4, it just seems out of place in full text because only that chapter has that brackets but others didn't. I create a new draft page for experiment uses to avoid such problems. : [[Log Horizon: Volume 2 Chapter 4 Draft]]

Isn't there any feedback from other editor about the use of <> brackets? -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 11:35, 14 November 2013 (CST)

:I only did it in v2c4p1+2, to see what people thought about how it looked, versus the previous version. And then those two parts in particular because I think those are among the more bracket-heavy parts, with all the guild names. -- [[User:Rasen|Rasen]] 11:53, 14 November 2013‎ (CST) 

::For my point of view, the brackets is unnecessary, since the english reader (some of them and probably majority of them) is not accustomed to <> brackets. The english translation is mainly for english reader so it's pointless to copy japanese style for using 「」 brackets.
::Although for names and honorifics, I prefer to follow japanese ways. 
::By the way, this is off topic, but could you use "<big><nowiki>-- ~~~~</nowiki></big>" in the end of your statement so others will know that you're the one who speaking -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 12:15, 14 November 2013 (CST)

:::I agree with LiTTleDRAgo, I feel the use of brackets is not totally necessary. Maybe for some special terms ('the bag of holding' comes to mind as an example) but with the amount of times that guild names actually show up in the text, it begins to feel cluttered. In terms of keeping to the original text, honorifics and furigana (even tho the use of furigana like <br><br>{{furigana|Druid|Forest Mage}} <br><br>  {{furigana|Guardian|Protector Warrior}} <br><br> {{furigana|Enchanter|Support Mage}} <br><br> can appear more cluttered :S) are higher in terms of priority to me. --[[User:Drowzycow|Drowzycow]] ([[User talk:Drowzycow|talk]]) 21:04, 14 November 2013 (CST)

Alright, I think that's a clear majority then. LiTTleDRAgo, if you can get rid of that draft with the brackets? (I dunno how to go about it in a clean way) -- [[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 23:43, 14 November 2013 (CST)

== Updated annex monster description images to English ==

I don't want to put them up yet without having someone look at them first see if looks OK and I didn't happen to misspell something.

[http://puu.sh/5iwE2.png Log_Horizon_Vol03_326-327.png], [http://puu.sh/5iwGk.png Log_Horizon_Vol03_324-325.png], [http://puu.sh/5iwHz.png Log_Horizon_Vol03_322-323.png] --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 17:17, 14 November 2013 (CST)

:I think you should overwrite the level number to Anime Ace as well, it's kind of out of place there. Also, the font color in the rank names & places (Normal, Party, Raid 1, Dungeon, Waterfront, etc) should be very dark grey like in the raws (it's hard to read because the color blends with the word ''Rank:'' & ''Found In:'')
:And you misspell at Mad Arousal Golem's rank, it's not '''Normal''' but '''Raid 1''' -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 20:37, 14 November 2013 (CST)

:I had a go at editing the descriptions in the annex chapters, so go there for the updated text. Mad Carousal Golem's description still reads weird (the curse destroying the surrounding facilities doesn't sound right) so you may want to avoid editing that image for a while.--[[User:Drowzycow|Drowzycow]] ([[User talk:Drowzycow|talk]]) 20:46, 14 November 2013 (CST)

::I'll work on them this weekend. I'll also post the psd file which has all of the annex images in the volume 3 for anyone else who want to tweak them some more after my edits.
::--[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 00:38, 16 November 2013 (CST)

Did the changes to the images please take a look again to see if it meets everyone's expectations. Drowzycow I added in the updated text for the mad carousel golem but like you said I'll wait for you to do a bit more editing on the wiki.

[http://puu.sh/5mdR7.png 1], [http://puu.sh/5mdUj.png 2], [http://puu.sh/5mdDi.png 3] --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 11:59, 18 November 2013 (CST)

:I think that's already OK, you can upload them anytime (there are revert button even if there are mistake) -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 15:58, 18 November 2013 (CST)

Speaking of the annex, didn't someone say that they were really "appendix"? Should we change them to that? --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 17:40, 18 November 2013 (CST)
:It's obviously meant to be appendix (It says so in the bottom corner of each appendix page). 2 options; move the pages to the correct pages and delete the redirects (leaving this to those with page deleting powers) OR just relabel the links, leaving the pages as they are (this option may break all the fancy navbars tho which is why I left it as is, since it's a relatively minor thing).--[[User:Drowzycow|Drowzycow]] ([[User talk:Drowzycow|talk]]) 18:33, 18 November 2013 (CST)

Is it possible to get one of you guys to place the images for volume 4 in the place where the text is like the rest of the other novels? I would do it but I don't have the actual LN in hand to figure where they go. --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 21:56, 25 November 2013 (CST)

== Missing lines of text ==

So...something I've noticed is that sometimes there are missing lines/text. I've tried to translate them when I could, but other times, we're missing entire pages' worth of stuff. Almost 6 pages in volume 4, chapter 1 alone. Should we leave them alone, or is there someone in contact with the translator, who could ask if he/she might be willing to translate those? --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 09:39, 27 November 2013 (CST)

:Did you look in pastebin to see if this isn't a bad copy and paste when transferring it on Baka-Tsuki? --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 10:35, 27 November 2013 (CST)

::I checked one instance, and the text was not there either. Besides, I'm pretty sure when whoever brings it over to BT, they just wait until the translator finishes the entire chapter before copying-pasting everything in one large chunk. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 10:39, 27 November 2013 (CST)

:Can you post those missing text at forum? Maybe someone with great insight will translate those text -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 11:27, 27 November 2013 (CST)

::Not sure how I could do that. All I have are pictures of the pages, and I believe there're rules against posting up the raws. S'why I marked the places missing with "--missing text/line--" in the story (tagged so that they don't show up normally). I'm hoping between those and the page numbers, it should be relatively easy for someone with the novel to find the stuff. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 11:34, 27 November 2013 (CST)

:::You can extract those images to text with OCR or text recognition software (personally, I use this: <nowiki>www~mediafire~com/?ykvn1njkoo4</nowiki>) -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 11:57, 27 November 2013 (CST)

::::Ok, I'll give it a shot the next time I shut down my computer. (Happens less often than you would think.) In the meantime, anyone know about the original translator? --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 14:02, 27 November 2013 (CST)

::::Ok, so SimpleOCR needs Microsoft.net framework 1.1. Does it specifically have to be 1.1, or will a later version like 4.something work? --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 20:17, 30 November 2013 (CST)

:::::Yeah, it specificially needs 1.1 ([http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f589-4842-8157-034d1e7cf3a3&displaylang=en Microsoft .NET framework update 1.1] + [http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/b/4/8b4addd8-e957-4dea-bdb8-c4e00af5b94b/NDP1.1sp1-KB867460-X86.exe SP1]), also [http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/3/e/73ec6013-6db6-4789-857b-73dc0a831d64/langpack.exe japanese language pack] -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 09:19, 6 December 2013 (CST)

::::::Well, installed all of those, but it doesn't seem to work. Just throws back a chime and an error message. Shazbot. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 12:52, 8 December 2013 (CST)

:::That's weird, what is your OS? Maybe you should do a google search for a free OCR according to your OS -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 01:27, 8 December 2013 (CST)

Doesn't look like Skythewood is taking a break on pastebin. He is already posted 2 chapter of volume 5. See if you can hit him up on twitter: https://twitter.com/skythewood because he mentions about edits you can contact him there.
--[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 14:22, 27 November 2013 (CST)

:Ah....I don't use Twitter. Social media, especially ones that only mean anything when you have a smartphone, are anathema to me. Also, because I don't have a smart phone. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 14:32, 27 November 2013 (CST)

::Tell me the locations of the missing pages where they sit at what parts and I'll attempt to contact him about it. --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 19:43, 27 November 2013 (CST)

===Missing Text Locations===
Ok, here's what I found so far, also bear in mind that page numbers may be different in Japanese version(mine) from Chinese version (his). I also put up the lines that immediately precede and follow the missing text, to make it easier to find. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 23:11, 27 November 2013 (CST)


vol 2, ch 1

Page 32

Between lines:

:"In simple terms, it lets high-level players play with low-level players by dropping their levels and stats to match the lower level players."

:"Shiroe was an experienced player with deep insights into the game as well as top tier equipment. Using the 'Mentoring' system, Shiroe would be roughly one or two levels better than the twins, which is an ideal level to lead the twins as a mentor."


vol 2, ch 5

End of page 314,

Between lines, the side comment in parentheses.: 

:"Harmonious in his dealings, but once he is set on something, he will do whatever it takes to achieve his goal. The enchanter Shiroe with the nickname he dislikes, 'Black Heart Glasses.'"

:"An apostle of panties, frivolous, witty, and loves to jokes around, the guardian who is like an iron wall Naotsugu."


vol 3, ch 1
Page 63

Between lines, one missing line: 

:"Shiroe has put in a lot of effort before the trip to collect intelligence on the 'League of Freedom Cities Eastal', but that is only from city bars and books. The first-hand information of the nobles' social network rarely flows out to the commoners." 

:"The noises in the hall disappear like a retreating tide, the people near the door separate to either side. A prominent group appears from the door. In the crowd's gentle expectation and soft chatter, 3 ladies appear with their male escorts."


vol 4, ch 3

page 149-150

missing block of text

between lines:
:"Raynesia's words reach every corner of the city square in the morning air."
 
:"Raynesia throws her gaze far away."

page 163

missing line

between lines:
:"If it is this type of unorganized attack, even the relatively weak and outnumbered Adventurers will be able to handle them."

:"Welcome back...!"


vol 4 ch4

page 210

missing lines

between lines:
:Fighting in this world is not the same as fighting in the game Elder Tales, there is another type of hardship. Instead of saying the battle was grueling, it should be the air of the battle that is acrid.

:The horror of fighting is more of a psychological thing

page 241

missing line

between lines:
:This dumb young man drags them all over the place.

:The spell is good, hitting the targets from such range accurately. This is not only due to the performance of the spell, but also the long hours of practice by Rundelhous.


vol 4, ch5

page 275, missing page+

between lines:
:"Yes."
 
:The 'soul' is starting to diffuse... reaching a state of 'losing soul'. 'soul' is the energy that drives the psyche, the human psyche is based on 'soul', as its connection to the body is severed, it will become a lost 'soul' and lose its identity.

page 281, missing lines

between lines:
:So she had never been up close and personal, walking among knights who are considered rowdy by nobles' standards.

:Raynesia already knew they do not like to stand on ceremony, so she was not offended although she was a bit surprised.

page 291, missing line

at the end of:
:Shiroe chooses the spell from the menu and cast 'Mana Channeling', a unique spell of enchanters.

page 315, missing text

between lines:

:"Are you okay?"

:Maryele pressed her temples. She has been using magic non-stop the whole day which makes the her head heavy and numb.

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Sorry for not getting back to this sooner but I've twitted him so let's see if he gets back with us. 
--[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 02:07, 30 November 2013 (CST)

:Rasen, here is the pastebin for the missing items that you've reported. Skythewood went to each one and did a check and wrote in what was missing for ya. http://pastebin.com/ThEzFadJ
:--[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 16:17, 30 November 2013 (CST)

::Awesome, I've pasted in the new text. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 20:14, 30 November 2013 (CST)

== Volume 5, Chapter 3 ==

There appears to be a mostly complete translation (about 48 of 53 pages?) at [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sd588sQAUtHkvGscRuPWJvVMc2AjIiuNocroEU_ZxNM/edit?pli=1 here], however it appears to be a mixture of various anonymous authors. Do we want to perhaps post a comment there asking if we can post or link their translation once its complete, before all the contributors for that page disappear? I'm not sure what the procedure for that sort of thing is, but given that almost all of the BT translations for Log Horizon have come from skythewood (who mentions the other translation in his twitter), if we don't attempt to secure permission or link, it might be a while before we end up with a translation of that chapter on BT. [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 16:00, 1 December 2013 (CST)

:I tried to ask today but seems that too many people are looking at the file this I cannot see the comments to make a comment. If anyone else can get in to where they be able to see the tool bars please jump at the chance to do it.
:--[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 00:11, 2 December 2013 (CST)

::I posed the question in the google doc, near the top. Awaiting a reply... [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 00:29, 2 December 2013 (CST)

It looks like they'll be okay with it, unsure what the next step in this process is... i suppose it would be easiest if one of them posted it, otherwise do we have to contact the project administrator or something? should we also check if they're okay with us editing it, etc...? I'm really quite new here so I don't know what the next step is.... [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 05:27, 2 December 2013 (CST)

:Yup, I saw you post and seen their reply back stating it was alright to be placed on here. Chapter 3 is finished I'm sure we will start adding it soon. --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 12:32, 2 December 2013 (CST)

Translation for Log Horizon Volume 5, Chapter 3 has been completed and the group seems to be okay with it being posted and edited on baka-tsuki. I've extracted a copy of just the english text at ( http://pastebin.com/rniNFwuQ ), but I'm unsure as to what the next step is... should we just post that, or do we have to check with the project administrator or something else? [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 04:27, 3 December 2013 (CST)

:Your best bet would be to ask LittleDrago (Project super). Although there shouldn't be any problem as rye have given permission, just be sure to give credit on the registration page. :) [[User:All Nighter94|All Night]] ([[User talk:All Nighter94|talk]]) 06:49, 3 December 2013 (CST)

::I pasted the chapter and updated the registration page as well. -- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 12:13, 3 December 2013 (CST)

== Changing Series Cover Image ==

I'd like to change the series cover image to the cover of the first volume of the light novels (its currently from the first volume of the manga), if no one objects? [[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 19:49, 3 December 2013 (CST)

:While I realize it's not standard practice to use an non-LN image, I personally like the coloured manga cover more. Since it isn't a heavy spoiler image/has a proper caption indicating that's a manga cover, don't really see the harm in leaving it. --[[User:Drowzycow|Drowzycow]] ([[User talk:Drowzycow|talk]]) 21:35, 3 December 2013 (CST)

::I'm curious on how it LN cover looks like. --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 17:23, 4 December 2013 (CST)

<div style="float: left; width:100%;">
[[Image: Log Horizon light novel vol.01.jpg|420px|thumb|right|The cover of Log Horizon volume one]]
I personally think the LN cover looks much more awesome than the manga, and that since our focus is exclusively on the LNs it would look more professional to just use the LN cover image. @Shido, the cover looks like the image on the right, when the settings for the series cover are applied to it.
[[User:Madoka2029|Madoka2029]] ([[User talk:Madoka2029|talk]]) 20:19, 4 December 2013 (CST)
</div>

:They're both equally great looking covers, although I'm leaning toward the manga cover because of the more vivid colors, and sharper details. [[User:All Nighter94|All Night]] ([[User talk:All Nighter94|talk]]) 20:59, 4 December 2013 (CST)

::Seeing as how we have the LN covers up next to their chapters, I don't really see a reason to have the same image twice on the same page. Now, if ever they decide to take the LN covers off, then I think you have a case. --[[User:Rasen|Rasen]] ([[User talk:Rasen|talk]]) 21:28, 4 December 2013 (CST)

== Volume 5 Chapter 3 non-English symbols.   ==

I'm going to change some of these symbols that are used in other languages to what English Grammar typically uses. If no one has any issues with it.

Example:
「Libra Festival」 to (Libra Festival)

〈Adventurers〉 to <Adventurers> --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 17:30, 4 December 2013 (CST)

:for () brackets, it already used for some other meaning (such as thoughts). I personally prefer 「」 changed to "" and delete 〈〉 to match skythewood's translation 
:-- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 17:46, 4 December 2013 (CST)

==Project Page Layout==
I'm thinking to change the project page layout, does anyone have a feedback?
*[http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Log_Horizon&oldid=308289 Old (1 column without furigana)]
*[http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Log_Horizon&oldid=308419 1 column with furigana]
*[http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Log_Horizon&oldid=308427 2 column with furigana]
*[http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Log_Horizon&oldid=308428 2 column if resolution is too small (with furigana)] 
-- [[User:LiTTleDRAgo|LiTTleDRAgo]]  ([[User_talk:LiTTleDRAgo|Talk]]) 07:04, 6 December 2013 (CST)

:Keep it the same as before. Kind of smashed in there currently and not a fan of it. --[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 10:01, 6 December 2013 (CST)

:Don't mind the double columns, that looks okay but not convinced by the furigana. Like Shido says it looks mashed together, I wouldn't it might just be my tablet but it does look great on the PC either.--[[User:Drowzycow|Drowzycow]] ([[User talk:Drowzycow|talk]]) 06:06, 7 December 2013 (CST)

== Volume 1 Page 338-339 image ==

I'm working on this image and cleaning some of the artifacts that I've seen on it. The Japanese words on the top of the grey area anyone know what that says?

--[[User:Shido|Shido]] ([[User talk:Shido|talk]]) 19:38, 21 December 2013 (CST)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "Elder Tales Class Table"