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| + | Hello. |
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| − | ==Punctuation== |
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| − | ===Somewhat interested in Punctuation Changes=== |
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| + | I'm Darkoneko, one of this wiki's [[special:listusers/sysop|Old gods]]. As I don't edit much, you probably haven't heard of me. |
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| − | How does the bytes work for those anyway? From what you did on IS, the apostrophes for Microsoft Word uses more space than wordpad. Can you explain that to me? Thanks--[[User:Teh Ping|Teh Ping]] 15:19, 29 May 2011 (UCT) |
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| + | On the other hand, I have recently heard a lot about you. So in the last few days, I investigated, read about a book worth of talk page discussions on the wiki, checked on diffs, etc. |
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| − | The types of punctuation used formally were: …‘’“” (You might need to see in editing mode to get the difference). I used the characters ... and ' and " to replace them. The thing is, that every type of character has an id set to it in the form of a combination of bits (01010101). This is done because bits, bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, etc, is how data is stored. In other words " does not equal “ or ” in the storing language. However in English they would mean the same thing. " occurs earlier in the storage character table than “ or ” therefore it has a smaller id. Thus space can be saved by using it. My advice is to either stop using MSWord and use WordPad or TextPad editor. OR... first write in MSWord then take it to TextPad and then use the find and replace functions to switch the above characters. You can also use FoxReplace addon if you are using Firefox but that's just a little more complex in initializing the settings but the result is that the replacement process becomes fully automated (It's a major pain if you make a mistake though, if you don't exclude pages you need to, then the replacement could affect something you did not wish it to). The final way is to use this site's own search and replace function. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] 15:41, 29 May 2011 (UCT) |
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| + | Your edit count is pretty impressive. 4629 edits, a lot of which are template creation/integrations and cosmetic changes. The templates are a nice work, tho i don't agree with your "space/storage" argument.<small> Template are interesting because if you want to alter the navigation system, you only have to do it on one place rather than having to edit each page. A few more megabytes of text in a database don't matter.</small> |
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| − | Personally, I use the FoxReplace method. So there might be ''rare'' cases where something unintended was changed. I apologize for that. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:37, 4 June 2011 (UCT) |
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| + | But on the other hand, your interactions with people leave a lot to be desired. You have a net tendancy for stubborness and to keep insisting until the other person gives up. This is what happened on [[Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai]] ; this is what happened on [[Hidan no Aria]] ; this is also also what happened on some less known altercations with other translators and editors. Alas, after reading your various interventions, I came to the conclusion that this part of you haven't changed and that I can't expect it to. |
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| − | BTW, … and ... actually do not have any differences in the bytes used. I tried replacing them in an Oreimo chapter, but 0 bytes changed. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 14:08, 6 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Hmm. I suspected as much. Basically that means that the … character is equivalent to three fullstop(.) characters. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 16:49, 6 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| + | You did a good work on the wiki when it came to maintenance. I honestly thank you for that ; But if the side effect is having others people going away from baka-tsuki ''-especially translators, which are pretty much the rarest thing out there-'', then your overall balance become negative. |
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| − | ===FoxReplace Method=== |
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| − | If you are using FireFox ([http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/fx/?ref=logo download here]). All you have to do is install the [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/ FoxReplace addon]. After that create an xml file using Notepad (name it anything you like, for the sake of reference I'll call it "PuncReplace.xml") and write the following code into the file '''(copy as it is)''': |
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| + | It's pretty abrupt, but I can't allow you to edit here anymore. I realise that you will most probably find that unjust ; it wasn't exactly easy for me to make this decision either, but it's final. |
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| − | <substitutionlist version="0.12"> |
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| − | <group> |
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| − | <urls> |
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| − | <url>-http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=User*</url> |
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| − | <url>http://www.baka-tsuki.org/*&action=edit*</url> |
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| − | <url>http://www.baka-tsuki.org/*&action=submit*</url> |
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| − | </urls> |
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| − | <substitutions> |
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| − | <substitution casesensitive="true"> |
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| − | <input type="text">"…"</input> |
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| − | <output>"..."</output> |
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| − | </substitution> |
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| − | <substitution casesensitive="true"> |
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| − | <input type="text">"‘"</input> |
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| − | <output>"'"</output> |
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| − | </substitution> |
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| − | <substitution casesensitive="true"> |
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| − | <input type="text">"’"</input> |
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| − | <output>"'"</output> |
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| − | </substitution> |
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| − | <substitution casesensitive="true"> |
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| − | <input type="text">"“"</input> |
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| − | <output>"""</output> |
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| − | </substitution> |
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| − | <substitution casesensitive="true"> |
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| − | <input type="text">"”"</input> |
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| − | <output>"""</output> |
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| − | </substitution> |
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| − | <substitution casesensitive="true"> |
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| − | <input type="text">"<!—"</input> |
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| − | <output>"<!--"</output> |
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| − | </substitution> |
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| − | </substitutions> |
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| − | </group> |
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| − | </substitutionlist> |
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| + | I'm really sorry. |
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| − | Save the file. You can also download the file [http://www.fileserve.com/file/y2v7KFG here]. In fact I recommend downloading over copying. |
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| + | [[User:Darkoneko|DarkoNeko]] <small>[[User_Talk:Darkoneko|talk]]</small> 09:31, 9 November 2012 (CST) |
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| − | After that, (in Firefox) go to FoxReplace options and click the "Import" button, choose the xml file you made ("PuncReplace.xml"). |
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| + | NB : if it's any consolation, I banned [[user:Lllllllllllllllll]]'s ass, as the account was prety obviously made to create problems. |
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| − | The settings will automatically load into FoxReplace. |
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| − | Click the "Okay" button and after that whenever you edit or see the preview of the edits the FoxReplace addon will automatically make the appropriate substitutions. Good Hunting! [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 17:10, 6 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | ==Upgrade== |
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| − | I am not so sure why I should do take a look? --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 02:52, 30 June 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | I'll post that collapsing upgrade idea in the forums, to discuss it. I'll give you the link to that shortly. After all, it is not a bad idea. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 02:50, 1 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Here's the link. XD |
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| − | http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4458 - [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] 02:59, 1 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Just by curiosity, what pages did you create except the collapsing upgrade? [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 02:09, 7 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | The collapsing upgrade was a request/idea. I made the [[Help:Color]], [[Mimizuku and the King of Night: Volume]] and [[Template:IS Nav]] pages. But basically the first was copied from another source and the second was easy to make since all it is is the full volume page. The template was hard to make though. I have prepared similar templates for "Hidan no Aria" as well as "Chrome Shelled Regios" but they shouldn't be implemented without first implementing collapsibility, otherwise it will look too cluttered on the pages. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:49, 7 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | BTW, why use the collapsibility for the projects? I mean, I k ow for the mature contents, but I do not understand for the normal projects. [[User:Kira0802|<font color="228B22">Kira</font>]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|<font color="C71585">Talk</font>]]) 00:01, 8 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | When ever did I say to use collapsibility for normal projects/pages. I only said that it was optimal to use them for making collapsible templates (navigation or otherwise) as well as for hiding mature contents. Where did that idea come from? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 00:56, 8 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Answer: Ah, if it is like that, than I am the wrong person to ask, since I dont have any say in that. --[[User:Darklor|Darklor]] 16:03, 8 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Talking about the nav bar at the end of the chapters. Why would this be used since we already have the 'previous chapter', 'next chapter' and 'main page' buttons? [[User:Kira0802|<font color="228B22">Kira</font>]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|<font color="C71585">Talk</font>]]) 16:39, 8 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Let's say that there are two events or dialogues that are interrelated but separated by one or more chapters or even books. Which would be preferable? Going through multiple pages to check and compare the info or simply using one link. That is why full nav templates are more preferable. I mean even for projects that have two or more points of development(ie: two or more chapters being translated at the same time) can be easily navigated between rather than having to go back to the main page and then the other one. It was taught to me in Uni. Websites that can allow the surfer to navigate from one point to another in the least amount of steps (ie: page loads) are considered more user friendly and popular than those who take more steps. I mean which would you prefer? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 18:59, 8 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | ==IS translation edit== |
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| − | ===Awkward sentence in vol 6 chapter 4=== |
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| − | Sorry about that, I knew that was awkward translation but I just can't find better wording =.=". The last sentence talk about how the knife holster was positioned so the knife's grip face horizontally to the front instead of vertically upward in order for the user to be able to easily snatch the knife whenever he/she wants to. Basically, it was positioned like [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ga5pqw-CaMA/TNuUGCxta8I/AAAAAAAAAQg/hfxIMFaz3_Q/s1600/tshirts11.jpg this gun holster] position instead of [http://hidebay.com/catalog/images/holster1.jpg this one]--[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 03:44, 10 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | So basically It was an arm holster with horisontal positioning rather than a hip holster with vertical positioning? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 03:47, 10 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Take a look on the chapter page. I changed it to mirror what you suggested. Is that okay? [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 04:03, 10 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Yea, that's great. Thanks for the edit. There's a change in sentence structure compared to the original Japanese sentence, but that can't be helped in a translation IMO due to the structural difference between Japanese and English. I also change the sentence structure sometimes in order to keep the meaning and not sounds awkward. --[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 04:19, 10 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | Yeah well that is unavoidable sometimes. I mean the sentence structures of japanese and english are basically opposites. So moving the words is inevitable. I think it's fine so long as the meaning is as close as possible. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 06:03, 10 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | ===About reference=== |
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| − | Isn't a reference for each character name a little too much? I could understand if it's for in-game technologies, but IMHO, giving reference for a character to a wiki is a little to excessive. What do you think? --[[User:Kuroi shinigami|Kuroi shinigami]] 14:39, 13 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | That was what I thought too. [[User:Kira0802|Kira]] ([[User_talk:Kira0802|Talk]]) 14:49, 13 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | I don't do it each each and every time. Just normally once a volume per character. And I don't actually think it's excessive. Actually I think it will help both the IS wiki ''as well as us''. By allowing people to jump to the pages there they can start editing there as well. Think of it as an investment. By linking to them we are sharing in their popularity. And allow them to share in our readers. It's actually beneficial to both us and them. A symbiotic relationship, even if they don't link to us. Just the fact that we link to them will be enough. Trust me. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:55, 13 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | As for the amount of links. Rather than going through one link and having to search there for the correct pages and then navigating to the said pages. It is better to link directly to the required page, no? Thus we change a ''two or more'' step process into a ''one'' step process. Thus the more links the better. It's the same basic principle as wikipedia. If it's just about looks. Then trust me you'll get the hang of it. And I think there was a way to streamline the links a bit more so that they look like in-wiki links. I'll try to find that method. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:55, 13 July 2011 (UCT) |
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| − | I've already put the links there. Plus with all the other edits. It took me hours per page. Please let it stay. [[User:Zero2001|Zero2001]] - [[User_talk:Zero2001|Talk]] - 14:57, 13 July 2011 (UCT) |
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Latest revision as of 12:32, 10 November 2012
Hello.
I'm Darkoneko, one of this wiki's Old gods. As I don't edit much, you probably haven't heard of me.
On the other hand, I have recently heard a lot about you. So in the last few days, I investigated, read about a book worth of talk page discussions on the wiki, checked on diffs, etc.
Your edit count is pretty impressive. 4629 edits, a lot of which are template creation/integrations and cosmetic changes. The templates are a nice work, tho i don't agree with your "space/storage" argument. Template are interesting because if you want to alter the navigation system, you only have to do it on one place rather than having to edit each page. A few more megabytes of text in a database don't matter.
But on the other hand, your interactions with people leave a lot to be desired. You have a net tendancy for stubborness and to keep insisting until the other person gives up. This is what happened on Kikou Shoujo wa Kizutsukanai ; this is what happened on Hidan no Aria ; this is also also what happened on some less known altercations with other translators and editors. Alas, after reading your various interventions, I came to the conclusion that this part of you haven't changed and that I can't expect it to.
You did a good work on the wiki when it came to maintenance. I honestly thank you for that ; But if the side effect is having others people going away from baka-tsuki -especially translators, which are pretty much the rarest thing out there-, then your overall balance become negative.
It's pretty abrupt, but I can't allow you to edit here anymore. I realise that you will most probably find that unjust ; it wasn't exactly easy for me to make this decision either, but it's final.
I'm really sorry.
DarkoNeko talk 09:31, 9 November 2012 (CST)
NB : if it's any consolation, I banned user:Lllllllllllllllll's ass, as the account was prety obviously made to create problems.
