User talk:Subsinexus

Tate no Yuusha

Hello, you've added a lot of preview pages in a very short period of time by copying the text from external sources. Just checking, but did you ask for permission to copy the text into BT from the people who posted it at those external links? Also, it would also be appropriate to ask the BT project manager and/or supervisor if they are ok with those new preview pages being made. You may have done both of those things, but it wasn't immediately apparent to me so I asked. --Cthaeh (talk) 07:40, 22 November 2014 (CST)

Every single one I've posted so far comes from Bakahou, who has commented before publicly that he does not mind (he's a bit too dead to approach). Aside from him, Yoraikun, Epithetic, TheDefend, Hatoken, and Kookie have also given their okay. Anontranslator has yet to respond. Futon Lord (talk)

Shield hero external - preview- links

Dear futon lord,

Shifting the contents of the external links to a native B-T page is a delicate matter, due to new baka-Tsuki legislation (2015), any translation on baka-tsuki is subjected to a machine translation evaluation by a senior Baka-Tsuki translator. If suspected of using machine assistance and fails the requirement, it will be removed from the wiki.

So in technicality, it is allowed, the last time I checked in regards to the pastebin source, I could not in good conscious say that they meet the non-MTL requirements.

Therefore I encourage the translations to be externally linked and labelled as previews.

However I have yet to evaluate the scripts by the current two translators.

However I have read the kookie does admit to using a little of machine assistance, if she is honest, should be okay. However I'm not sure about the other and I therefore advise you to be cautious and refrain from doing so, as any Baka-Tsuki staff can initiate the MTL legislation and would put all translations hosted on Baka-Tsuki to an MTL evaluation.

Best regards,

Onizuka-GTO 18:16, 22 November 2014 (CST)

There's a misunderstanding somewhere here, because I believe Onizuka-gto discouraged adding the text, as you've continued to do, and advised leaving it as external links (the current/previous method). Your reply on his talk page implies it is okay as long as a "preview" tag is applied, but I do not believe that is the case. All text uploaded should satisfy the MTL standards oni was referring to, and after it does, then it can stay if it has the correct MTL tag (a "preview" tag does not make it exempt). Actually, I think the external links were a bit of a grey area already. Therefore I suggest you stop transferring until this can be clarified. You can always pick it back up later if I happen to be the one with the misunderstanding. --Cthaeh (talk) 01:36, 23 November 2014 (CST)

I believe it's your misunderstanding this time. Madan no Ou, Mushoku Tensei, and multiple other projects contain confirmed machine translation 'previews' next to the side of the chapters. If you're that worried about it, I could try copying what Madan no Ou does - add a notice at the top of the preview page declaring it a machine translation. Visit one of its preview pages to see what I mean. However, I doubt that's necessary. --Futon Lord (talk)

Madan, Mushoku Tensei, and most other projects were done before the MTL guidelines were revised/created, and they therefore don't follow them. You can read the guidelines here, which I believe suggests using "MTL" rather than "preview" (but I don't personally care about the template at the top, or the page naming really). The most important aspect of the those guidelines, from my perspective, is not the page naming, but rather the approval process. --Cthaeh (talk) 01:52, 23 November 2014 (CST)

Un, I'm pretty sure that those guidelines are referring to the process which must be undergone if you want to put a machine-translated chapter into a 'main' chapter page. The reason I think so is the last rule:

Any chapter done by a machine can be overwritten by a human translator. Unless it's a translator guess-lating and inventing stuff out of blue, a human translator who shows the ability and the effort can overwrite the machine translation script with his own work.

In any case - I will soon be busy with other stuff, and can only take time now to do what I wish. So - unless Onizuka-san puts his foot down, I shall finish this shifting, and if it gets deleted later, I'll be too busy with other stuff by then to care. --Futon Lord (talk)

By the way, Cthaeh, out of curiosity, what are you? I can't tell if you're a superactive standard user or a member of management. Your contributions and edits prove you've been here for a while, and you seem to do a good job policing the various projects. When you first posted here, your words certainly did have an 'admin' tone. But it's sorta hard to tell. Futon Lord (talk) 19:11, 23 November 2014 (CST)

Well, given how loosely BT is organized, I would say the difference between the two is somewhat blurred. I do have additional user rights on the wiki (deleting pages, blocking users) and moderating the forums, but I probably wouldn't be called an "admin." If you're wondering why I was the one who originally contacted you, it is because I am an active user (who spends time monitoring new changes), your changes were very visible, and transferring in external pages without permission is something new users do now and again. Additionally, with regards to my followup comment(s), I participated somewhat in the admin discussions that led up to the current MTL guidelines, so I'm more interested in clarifying those going forward rather than with what happens to this particular project. My 'suggestions' were in the interest of saving time/effort. --Cthaeh (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2014 (CST)

I see! So you're like...a half-admin. Somewhere in between. Yeah, I expected my changes to be strongly visible - 100+ newly created pages have got to stand out. If you participated in the creation of that MTL page, you must have a good idea of the rules. However, since even with that you were not able to give a solid veto (only unsure suggestions), my actions must currently be at the fuzzy borderline between allowed/not allowed. Meh, no use worrying about it; let's see what happens. I'm putting some effort into editing the chapters I'm bringing in, in hopes of improving their quality even further. It's worth the risk - the Tate no Yuusha project definitely could use some consolidation. Futon Lord (talk) 22:01, 23 November 2014 (CST)